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#21 Davey Jones' Locker

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 04:07 AM

View PostBrunoBrimley, on 21 June 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

I stay steadfast to my earlier proclamation of Mr.Gabe being late. (or at least his music is as far as I am concerned)

Like I said, give the New Blood album (and concert film) a chance. Yes, he's recycling old material but, stripped of the layers and layers of synths and ponderous drums, his music sounds MUCH better. I think it was a wise move on his behalf - it is a way of ensuring his legacy as a great songwriter and lyricist now that the original versions of his songs sound so dated. Synths may age but orchestras are timeless. Really, it is the only Gabriel album you need to own.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:38 PM

View PostDavey Jones' Locker, on 22 June 2012 - 04:07 AM, said:

View PostBrunoBrimley, on 21 June 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

I stay steadfast to my earlier proclamation of Mr.Gabe being late. (or at least his music is as far as I am concerned)

Like I said, give the New Blood album (and concert film) a chance. Yes, he's recycling old material but, stripped of the layers and layers of synths and ponderous drums, his music sounds MUCH better. I think it was a wise move on his behalf - it is a way of ensuring his legacy as a great songwriter and lyricist now that the original versions of his songs sound so dated. Synths may age but orchestras are timeless. Really, it is the only Gabriel album you need to own.

I still think So is an awesome album. Very eighties yes but a brilliant album.

I think this whole thread is being a bit sniffy about the musical acheivements of both PG & PC. Being successful does not always mean that you have sold out.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 01:20 PM

"No Jacket Required" is better than "Selling England By The Pound", imho.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 12:33 PM

View PostSpade_Cooley, on 22 June 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

"No Jacket Required" is better than "Selling England By The Pound", imho.

Not sure I would agree with you but I did suggest to a colleague that "No Jacket Required" was more enjoyable to listen to than "The White Album" and I have never heard the last of it!
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 06:25 PM

View PostBibliogryphon, on 22 June 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

I still think So is an awesome album. Very eighties yes but a brilliant album.

And so think I.

Bibliogryphon said:

I think this whole thread is being a bit sniffy about the musical acheivements of both PG & PC. Being successful does not always mean that you have sold out.

I'm not particularly fond of Phil Collins' solo work and Genesis albums after Abacab, although good songs can be found on most.

My love for Genesis remains though. Just a few days after release I got ...And Then There Were Three..., the first LP record I ever bought1. After that I've acquired almost all they've recorded. I regularly put Seconds Out on my stereo, preferably loud.

1I did buy a few singles before and had already shoplifted Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:27 PM

Sorry if the wrong thread but it is the nearest prog rock one I could find.......

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:00 PM

ahh...a good thread...totally irrelevent to the job in hand...but a good thread none the less... :smileyd:
Seconds Out is without doubt the best live Album ever recorded.
However....is there any reason to be linking Genesis members to an early demise ?

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:15 AM

View Postgrobler, on 22 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

ahh...a good thread...totally irrelevent to the job in hand...but a good thread none the less... :smileyd:
Seconds Out is without doubt the best live Album ever recorded.
However....is there any reason to be linking Genesis members to an early demise ?

It mostly stemmed from a suicidally morbid interview Phil Collins gave in 2010. Here is a recap: http://www.guardian....e-spinal-injury

I loved Seconds Out and all the Gabriel stuff (Genesis and solo) when I was young but I have to confess I have gone right off them over the last two years. I don't like any Genesis-related albums now except for Gabriel's New Blood. It is the only Gabriel album you need, really. It is a very good summary of his career, minus the dated synths and ponderous drums. For the most part nowadays, though, I am more likely to listen to Jacques Brel than Peter Gabriel.

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 11:25 AM

Phil Collins' current involvement in the Genesis reunion (albeit only to talk about their history) has allowed him to start revealing he's a recovering alcoholic and his drinking messed up his health to the point of fuelling his pancreatitis.

None of which is likely to kill him this month, but it does explain why he hasn't worn as well as the others in the band and does - sort of - put him on our long-term radar.
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Posted 30 September 2014 - 05:56 PM

View Postmaryportfuncity, on 30 September 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Phil Collins' current involvement in the Genesis reunion (albeit only to talk about their history) has allowed him to start revealing he's a recovering alcoholic and his drinking messed up his health to the point of fuelling his pancreatitis.

None of which is likely to kill him this month, but it does explain why he hasn't worn as well as the others in the band and does - sort of - put him on our long-term radar.

He's been on my 'He's A Massive Twat' radar for some years.

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 07:28 PM

View PostLard Bazaar, on 30 September 2014 - 05:56 PM, said:

View Postmaryportfuncity, on 30 September 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Phil Collins' current involvement in the Genesis reunion (albeit only to talk about their history) has allowed him to start revealing he's a recovering alcoholic and his drinking messed up his health to the point of fuelling his pancreatitis.

None of which is likely to kill him this month, but it does explain why he hasn't worn as well as the others in the band and does - sort of - put him on our long-term radar.

He's been on my 'He's A Massive Twat' radar for some years.

When he had just a small bald spot on the top of his head, it made a perfect target.

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:07 PM

Well, judging by this article he is still in denial.

""I'm getting up and watching cricket, turning on the television at 11am and having a bottle of wine," he says.
"I was never an alcoholic; I just got to be doing that most days."

http://tvnz.co.nz/en...ruggles-6095948


He seems to be killing himself from lack of motivation and boredom - then again, Genesis' lack of motivation on some of their last few albums (We Can't Dance in particular) nearly killed us from boredom too so maybe it is just karma....

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 11:21 AM

View PostDavey Jones' Locker, on 30 September 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

Well, judging by this article he is still in denial.

""I'm getting up and watching cricket, turning on the television at 11am and having a bottle of wine," he says.
"I was never an alcoholic; I just got to be doing that most days."

http://tvnz.co.nz/en...ruggles-6095948


He seems to be killing himself from lack of motivation and boredom - then again, Genesis' lack of motivation on some of their last few albums (We Can't Dance in particular) nearly killed us from boredom too so maybe it is just karma....

In a small act of defence for Mr Collins if you think We Can't Dance is bad the Collinsless Calling All Stations is much worse.
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Posted 01 October 2014 - 11:26 AM

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 10:20 PM

View PostBibliogryphon, on 01 October 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

View PostDavey Jones' Locker, on 30 September 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

Well, judging by this article he is still in denial.

""I'm getting up and watching cricket, turning on the television at 11am and having a bottle of wine," he says.
"I was never an alcoholic; I just got to be doing that most days."

http://tvnz.co.nz/en...ruggles-6095948


He seems to be killing himself from lack of motivation and boredom - then again, Genesis' lack of motivation on some of their last few albums (We Can't Dance in particular) nearly killed us from boredom too so maybe it is just karma....

In a small act of defence for Mr Collins if you think We Can't Dance is bad the Collinsless Calling All Stations is much worse.

Yes, I know the album well. Yes, most of it is terrible but I like "One Man's Fool" so the album ends on a positive note. "Small Talk" is virtually unlistenable, "Alien Afternoon" would be okay-ish but for the fact that it is a rehash of "Keep it Dark" from 16 years earlier and "Dividing Line", "Uncertain Weather" and "There Must be Some Other Way" are Banks at his most bombastic and generic. Hard to believe the bloke wrote "Island in the Darkness" for his 'Strictly, Inc." solo album at around the same time. That was one of his finest hours and in direct contrast to this sludge. (If you haven't heard "Island in the Darkness" go and listen to it on YouTube RIGHT NOW and, as you do so, imagine it being included on Calling All Stations instead of whichever three songs from that album you despise the most. Here is the link: https://www.youtube....h?v=JA6FuLSTMJk )

I wouldn't mind hearing Phil cover something like "Shipwrecked" or "If That's What You Need" just to see if he could put some more life into those songs and it is the sort of commercial love ballad material that would appeal to him. I feel there is potential in them but it is buried deep. Of course, they could just turn out sappy in his hands... It is a pity he didn't try one of them during the "Live Over Europe" reunion album, just for something different.

Why, oh why, couldn't Banks and Rutherford have taken a leaf out of Gabriel's book and taken some risks and thrown in just a couple of avante-garde numbers? Even the otherwise uber-commercial Invisible Touch had the little synth experiment, "The Brazilian" to end on a strong note but that last vestige of experimentation had disappeared when the sludgy We Can't Dance and Calling All Stations were released. :(

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 09:24 AM

I quite like some of the stuff on Tony Banks' solo albums Bankstatement and Still where he uses a range of guest vocalists including Nik Kershaw and Fish. A lot of hit and miss but some really good tracks.
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 07:50 PM

View PostBibliogryphon, on 02 October 2014 - 09:24 AM, said:

I quite like some of the stuff on Tony Banks' solo albums Bankstatement and Still where he uses a range of guest vocalists including Nik Kershaw and Fish. A lot of hit and miss but some really good tracks.
I like Still but not Bankstatement. A Curious Feeling and Strictly, Inc. are probably his two best solo albums, though, IMHO. I used to be a big fan of Tony's as he was the person most responsible for som great Genesis songs from Firth of Fifth and most of the music on Wind and Wuthering through to some of the more interesting 1980s material like Me and Sarah Jane, Evidence of Autumn, Domino and The Brazilian. I have gone off him a lot though due to the cheesiness of some of his synth sounds and the morbidity of a lot of his lyrics (says I, a DeathLister!) especiallywhat he was composing on And Then There Were Three but even some of his more modern doom-'n'-gloom-fests too.

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 06:09 PM

Genesis on the one show now. Phil Collins seems to be ageing not very well.
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Posted 04 October 2014 - 12:36 PM

View PostMagere Hein, on 25 June 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

View PostBibliogryphon, on 22 June 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

I still think So is an awesome album. Very eighties yes but a brilliant album.

And so think I.

Bibliogryphon said:

I think this whole thread is being a bit sniffy about the musical acheivements of both PG & PC. Being successful does not always mean that you have sold out.

I'm not particularly fond of Phil Collins' solo work and Genesis albums after Abacab, although good songs can be found on most.

My love for Genesis remains though. Just a few days after release I got ...And Then There Were Three..., the first LP record I ever bought1. After that I've acquired almost all they've recorded. I regularly put Seconds Out on my stereo, preferably loud.

1I did buy a few singles before and had already shoplifted Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 02:15 PM

View PostDeathray, on 04 October 2014 - 12:36 PM, said:

I suppose anarchists can't really be pissed at you shoplifting their work.

Dunno, I never asked. Then again:

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