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Posted 23 December 2009 - 10:38 PM

Oops, posted the same shit in the prisons thread. Either way, he's worth a watch and - mebbe - a punt.
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 02:35 PM

Bernie Madoff's son, Mark Madoff, has committed suicide by hanging.
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 04:47 PM

View PostDevonDeathTrip, on Dec 11 2010, 07:35 PM, said:

Bernie Madoff's son, Mark Madoff, has committed suicide by hanging.
That's like really sad and everything. At least hanukkah was early ths year and he waited until it was finished with so it wasn't all spoiled. (the Madoffs are Jewish) Will they let his dad out for the funeral?

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 02:13 AM

In the good ol' US of A, Mark Madoff's death actually received more media coverage than Leslie Nielsen's passing!!!!!!

You would think that Mark Madoff was you know, actually a real celebrity. Of course he ain't!!!
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 09:54 AM

View PostBCAlum2000, on Dec 12 2010, 02:13 AM, said:

In the good ol' US of A, Mark Madoff's death actually received more media coverage than Leslie Nielsen's passing!!!!!!

You would think that Mark Madoff was you know, actually a real celebrity. Of course he ain't!!!

Would this have anything to do with their respective nationalities perchance?
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 06:42 PM

View Posttime, on Dec 12 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

View PostBCAlum2000, on Dec 12 2010, 02:13 AM, said:

In the good ol' US of A, Mark Madoff's death actually received more media coverage than Leslie Nielsen's passing!!!!!!

You would think that Mark Madoff was you know, actually a real celebrity. Of course he ain't!!!

Would this have anything to do with their respective nationalities perchance?

Irrelevant.

Leslie Nielsen was much better known than a Madoff son.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 09:28 PM

View Postsympathyforthedevil, on Dec 12 2010, 06:42 PM, said:

View Posttime, on Dec 12 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

View PostBCAlum2000, on Dec 12 2010, 02:13 AM, said:

In the good ol' US of A, Mark Madoff's death actually received more media coverage than Leslie Nielsen's passing!!!!!!

You would think that Mark Madoff was you know, actually a real celebrity. Of course he ain't!!!

Would this have anything to do with their respective nationalities perchance?

Irrelevant.

Leslie Nielsen was much better known than a Madoff son.


Then how do you account for the greater coverage?
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:08 AM

View Posttime, on Dec 12 2010, 09:28 PM, said:

View Postsympathyforthedevil, on Dec 12 2010, 06:42 PM, said:

View Posttime, on Dec 12 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

View PostBCAlum2000, on Dec 12 2010, 02:13 AM, said:

In the good ol' US of A, Mark Madoff's death actually received more media coverage than Leslie Nielsen's passing!!!!!!

You would think that Mark Madoff was you know, actually a real celebrity. Of course he ain't!!!

Would this have anything to do with their respective nationalities perchance?

Irrelevant.

Leslie Nielsen was much better known than a Madoff son.


Then how do you account for the greater coverage?

because the whole Madoff story is such a big deal, a symbol of the corporate greed of our times, and such a train wreck.

I can guarantee you that very few people knew the name of Bernie Madoff's son before his death. However many millions knew of Leslie Nielsen.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:36 PM

View PostDevonDeathTrip, on 11 December 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

Bernie Madoff's son, Mark Madoff, has committed suicide by hanging.

Bernie Madoff's other son, Andrew Madoff, is suffering from stage 4 lymphoma.
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:50 PM

:( Pity he won't make it to Jan 1.
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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:56 PM

Paul Konigsberg, an attorney and accountant, was charged Thursday with multiple counts of falsifying records and related securities charges in connection with Bernie Madoff's Ponzi investment fund scheme.

Brodsky said that Konigsberg "looks forward to clearing his good name at trial. In their witch hunt arising out of the largest Ponzi scheme in history, the government conveniently ignores that the sociopath Bernie Madoff deceived everyone around him --

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 08:55 PM

Bernie Madoff has a heart attack.

http://www.dailymail...e-4-cancer.html

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:38 PM

View PostDr. Zorders, on 22 January 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

Bernie Madoff has a heart attack.

http://www.dailymail...e-4-cancer.html

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:44 PM

View PostMagere Hein, on 22 January 2014 - 09:38 PM, said:

View PostDr. Zorders, on 22 January 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

Bernie Madoff has a heart attack.

http://www.dailymail...e-4-cancer.html

Oh, that's cheerful news!

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:46 PM

Bernie Madoff has end-stage cancer? Is this new news?? OJ, now Bernie. Does anyone think these guys are just faking to get compassionate release?
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:35 PM

View PostEstuarian Float, on 22 January 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Bernie Madoff has end-stage cancer? Is this new news?? OJ, now Bernie. Does anyone think these guys are just faking to get compassionate release?

They just need a couple of pints of Guiness and everything will be OK.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:14 PM

View PostBibliogryphon, on 23 January 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

View PostEstuarian Float, on 22 January 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Bernie Madoff has end-stage cancer? Is this new news?? OJ, now Bernie. Does anyone think these guys are just faking to get compassionate release?

They just need a couple of pints of Guiness and everything will be OK.

Er.... eh?
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 01:12 PM

View PostDr. Zorders, on 23 January 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

View PostBibliogryphon, on 23 January 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

View PostEstuarian Float, on 22 January 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Bernie Madoff has end-stage cancer? Is this new news?? OJ, now Bernie. Does anyone think these guys are just faking to get compassionate release?

They just need a couple of pints of Guiness and everything will be OK.

Er.... eh?

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:54 PM

View PostBibliogryphon, on 24 January 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

View PostDr. Zorders, on 23 January 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

View PostBibliogryphon, on 23 January 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

View PostEstuarian Float, on 22 January 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Bernie Madoff has end-stage cancer? Is this new news?? OJ, now Bernie. Does anyone think these guys are just faking to get compassionate release?

They just need a couple of pints of Guiness and everything will be OK.

Er.... eh?

Ernest Saunders...

Oh....... haha. Okay.

For a minute I thought you might have been referring to Alex Higgins' copious Guinness intake, which some of us fans of his have speculated was the thing that enabled him to beat cancer (and everything else wrong with him) for so fuckin' long, and live until the unexpectedly high age of 61.

I was a bit baffled there because I was fairly sure I was the only person on this place who was enough of a Higgins fan to think about that one....... turns out I was right.

Well anyway, it's certainly a tactic I'll be adopting if ever diagnosed with life-threatening cancer of any kind.
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 03:19 PM

What if he dies the same die as his son? Who's funeral does the mum/wife go to




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