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[Death in Vegas]

Given that being a top level football manager is generally considered a rather stressful job, does anyone else think it's only a matter of time before we get another Jock Stein incident. We nearly had one a few years ago with Gerard Houllier. Prime contenders for me would be Neil Warnock and Luiz Felipe Scolari.

There are also a number of famous ex managers who are getting on a bit. Bobby Robson's health problems are well documented, Mario Zagallo is well into his seventies and has suffered from an irregular heart-beat in the past, and it will surely only be a matter of time until Cesar Luis Menotti is diagnosed with lung cancer.

[themaninblack]

 Death in Vegas, on Feb 8 2007, 10:19 AM, said:

Given that being a top level football manager is generally considered a rather stressful job, does anyone else think it's only a matter of time before we get another Jock Stein incident. We nearly had one a few years ago with Gerard Houllier. Prime contenders for me would be Neil Warnock and Luiz Felipe Scolari.

There are also a number of famous ex managers who are getting on a bit. Bobby Robson's health problems are well documented, Mario Zagallo is well into his seventies and has suffered from an irregular heart-beat in the past, and it will surely only be a matter of time until Cesar Luis Menotti is diagnosed with lung cancer.

Too much to ask for Fergie to kick the bucket I suppose....

[Josco]

 themaninblack, on Feb 8 2007, 11:39 AM, said:

 Death in Vegas, on Feb 8 2007, 10:19 AM, said:

Given that being a top level football manager is generally considered a rather stressful job, does anyone else think it's only a matter of time before we get another Jock Stein incident. We nearly had one a few years ago with Gerard Houllier. Prime contenders for me would be Neil Warnock and Luiz Felipe Scolari.

There are also a number of famous ex managers who are getting on a bit. Bobby Robson's health problems are well documented, Mario Zagallo is well into his seventies and has suffered from an irregular heart-beat in the past, and it will surely only be a matter of time until Cesar Luis Menotti is diagnosed with lung cancer.

Too much to ask for Fergie to kick the bucket I suppose....

Do you mean Fergie as in the 'Ginger Minge', married to some Johnnie called Andrew Windsor?

[Twelvetrees]

Five of Ferguson's predecessors are still with us, as well:
Tommy Docherty (now 78)
Frank O'Farrell (79)
Dave Sexton (76)
Wilf McGuinness (69)
and the disgraced Ron Atkinson (67), currently the director of football at Kettering Town

[themaninblack]

 Josco, on Feb 8 2007, 12:03 PM, said:

 themaninblack, on Feb 8 2007, 11:39 AM, said:

 Death in Vegas, on Feb 8 2007, 10:19 AM, said:

Given that being a top level football manager is generally considered a rather stressful job, does anyone else think it's only a matter of time before we get another Jock Stein incident. We nearly had one a few years ago with Gerard Houllier. Prime contenders for me would be Neil Warnock and Luiz Felipe Scolari.

There are also a number of famous ex managers who are getting on a bit. Bobby Robson's health problems are well documented, Mario Zagallo is well into his seventies and has suffered from an irregular heart-beat in the past, and it will surely only be a matter of time until Cesar Luis Menotti is diagnosed with lung cancer.

Too much to ask for Fergie to kick the bucket I suppose....

Do you mean Fergie as in the 'Ginger Minge', married to some Johnnie called Andrew Windsor?

Either suits me!

[Cowboy Ronnie]

 themaninblack, on Feb 8 2007, 11:39 AM, said:

 Death in Vegas, on Feb 8 2007, 10:19 AM, said:

Given that being a top level football manager is generally considered a rather stressful job, does anyone else think it's only a matter of time before we get another Jock Stein incident. We nearly had one a few years ago with Gerard Houllier. Prime contenders for me would be Neil Warnock and Luiz Felipe Scolari.

There are also a number of famous ex managers who are getting on a bit. Bobby Robson's health problems are well documented, Mario Zagallo is well into his seventies and has suffered from an irregular heart-beat in the past, and it will surely only be a matter of time until Cesar Luis Menotti is diagnosed with lung cancer.

Too much to ask for Fergie to kick the bucket I suppose....

or Steve McClaren. The man's certifiable. He has a naturally left footed player who's played some games at left back this season, but instead picks Phil Neville, whose last memorable contribution at the position was bringing down a Romanian in the 89th minute to knock England out of Euro 2000. He starts Wright-Phillips, whose only full 90 mins this season was against Wycombe. He isolates Crouch up front, tells Lampard he's playing left midfield which he ignores, then gives Barton a massive 10 minutes to prove his international pedigree.

Maybe he's copying Sven's old trick of trying to lose friendlies so everyone thinks they're rubbish. If so, mission accomplished last night.

[Olveres]

 Cowboy Ronnie, on Feb 8 2007, 01:33 PM, said:

 themaninblack, on Feb 8 2007, 11:39 AM, said:

 Death in Vegas, on Feb 8 2007, 10:19 AM, said:

Given that being a top level football manager is generally considered a rather stressful job, does anyone else think it's only a matter of time before we get another Jock Stein incident. We nearly had one a few years ago with Gerard Houllier. Prime contenders for me would be Neil Warnock and Luiz Felipe Scolari.

There are also a number of famous ex managers who are getting on a bit. Bobby Robson's health problems are well documented, Mario Zagallo is well into his seventies and has suffered from an irregular heart-beat in the past, and it will surely only be a matter of time until Cesar Luis Menotti is diagnosed with lung cancer.

Too much to ask for Fergie to kick the bucket I suppose....

or Steve McClaren. The man's certifiable. He has a naturally left footed player who's played some games at left back this season, but instead picks Phil Neville, whose last memorable contribution at the position was bringing down a Romanian in the 89th minute to knock England out of Euro 2000. He starts Wright-Phillips, whose only full 90 mins this season was against Wycombe. He isolates Crouch up front, tells Lampard he's playing left midfield which he ignores, then gives Barton a massive 10 minutes to prove his international pedigree.

Maybe he's copying Sven's old trick of trying to lose friendlies so everyone thinks they're rubbish. If so, mission accomplished last night.

Steve Mclaren should never have got the job, his last game as a club manager, a 4-1 UEFA Cup bending over and I didn't see Middlesborough in the top half of the table at the end of the season either if memory serves me correctly. Sorry Steve but it's a definite straight for you. He'll be gone as soon as England fail to qualify for Euro 2008. This thread could go all Graham Poll at this rate, two reds in one post!!!

[Death in Vegas]

 Olveres, on Feb 8 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

 Cowboy Ronnie, on Feb 8 2007, 01:33 PM, said:

 themaninblack, on Feb 8 2007, 11:39 AM, said:

 Death in Vegas, on Feb 8 2007, 10:19 AM, said:

Given that being a top level football manager is generally considered a rather stressful job, does anyone else think it's only a matter of time before we get another Jock Stein incident. We nearly had one a few years ago with Gerard Houllier. Prime contenders for me would be Neil Warnock and Luiz Felipe Scolari.

There are also a number of famous ex managers who are getting on a bit. Bobby Robson's health problems are well documented, Mario Zagallo is well into his seventies and has suffered from an irregular heart-beat in the past, and it will surely only be a matter of time until Cesar Luis Menotti is diagnosed with lung cancer.

Too much to ask for Fergie to kick the bucket I suppose....

or Steve McClaren. The man's certifiable. He has a naturally left footed player who's played some games at left back this season, but instead picks Phil Neville, whose last memorable contribution at the position was bringing down a Romanian in the 89th minute to knock England out of Euro 2000. He starts Wright-Phillips, whose only full 90 mins this season was against Wycombe. He isolates Crouch up front, tells Lampard he's playing left midfield which he ignores, then gives Barton a massive 10 minutes to prove his international pedigree.

Maybe he's copying Sven's old trick of trying to lose friendlies so everyone thinks they're rubbish. If so, mission accomplished last night.

Steve Mclaren should never have got the job, his last game as a club manager, a 4-1 UEFA Cup bending over and I didn't see Middlesborough in the top half of the table at the end of the season either if memory serves me correctly. Sorry Steve but it's a definite straight for you. He'll be gone as soon as England fail to qualify for Euro 2008. This thread could go all Graham Poll at this rate, two reds in one post!!!

Oh for the good old days of Sven.

I would suggest that we campaign to make the English football team as a whole eligible for the Deathlist but we've probably missed the boat by a good ten years. Still, there's always the cricket to look forward to...

[Cowboy Ronnie]

 Death in Vegas, on Feb 8 2007, 05:17 PM, said:

Still, there's always the cricket to look forward to...

....coached by a man who, despite acknowledging captaincy makes him perform worse, insists that Flintoff remain captain for the finals.

[Banshees Scream]

I don't think so. We have a Football thread. Merge it.

[maryportfuncity]

 Twelvetrees, on Feb 8 2007, 12:13 PM, said:

Five of Ferguson's predecessors are still with us, as well:
Tommy Docherty (now 78)
Frank O'Farrell (79)
Dave Sexton (76)
Wilf McGuinness (69)
and the disgraced Ron Atkinson (67), currently the director of football at Kettering Town

So everyone who's managed the scally scum - ahem - I mean legendary club since Sir Matt still breathes eh? What has Frank O'Farrell been doing all day since the early seventies, can't recall him being over-burdened with high profile footy work. Well, he's spent a lot of time at that hotbed of football excellence.......Torquay!

[Octopus of Odstock]

If this thread is to stay on topic and be a discussion about old football managers who are ill/old then I suggest the following:

Malcolm Allison (drink & ill health)
Ron Saunders (just plain old)
Bobby Robson (everything under the sun)
Tommy Docherty (getting fatter and older)
Dave MacKay (not in best of health)

[maryportfuncity]

The 'football' thread is mainly a place to discuss progress of our teams, so I'm suggesting this one in the mould of the 'rugger buggers' and 'will ill kill phil hill' as a place to keep tabs on the obit worthy lingerers at the door of the departure loungue. You know, like Stan Bowles and Malcolm Allison. Obviously the high profile Sir Bobby Robson gets to keep his own thread, but Bobby Moncur and the rest probably belong here.

[maryportfuncity]

Speaking of Bob Moncur he talks about 'winning' his cancer battle on this all-action, highly entertaining internet footy programme. Bob's discussion is near the start, sparing you the rest of the turgid show.

[DevonDeathTrip]

Cancer setback for Tommy Burns.

[Godot]

I know it's not a first mention on the site but Paul Madeley is one to watch. He was great player in his time.

[Octopus of Odstock]

Whilst debate goes on if a very famous Swiss centenarian has died, a less famous Swiss centenarian has definitely passed away -

Fernand Jaccard was 100 when he died - (link in foreign muck language though) & was, by my calculation***, only one of five survivors from the 1934 World Cup who were still alive in 2008.


***Note to those after DDP possibles - Nehin & Iraneta of Argentina are believed to be alive, Smellincx of Belgium is apparently alive but if he gets a UK obit, I'm going to change my name legally to "Monkey Face In a Tree Agadoo" & the most famous (as it were) of them all is Rene Llense, of France, who had a long & successful career in the French leagues. But he won't get a UK obit either, I don't think.***


Despite my dire warning notes above, it might be worth trawling through a few World Cup Final players of yore. There's a few on the DDP this year (Ghiggia of Uruguay, for example), but the great Brazillian team of the 1950's must be getting on a bit now.

[Canadian Paul]

 Octopus of Odstock, on Apr 29 2008, 01:17 PM, said:

Whilst debate goes on if a very famous Swiss centenarian has died, a less famous Swiss centenarian has definitely passed away -

Fernand Jaccard was 100 when he died - (link in foreign muck language though) & was, by my calculation***, only one of five survivors from the 1934 World Cup who were still alive in 2008.


***Note to those after DDP possibles - Nehin & Iraneta of Argentina are believed to be alive, Smellincx of Belgium is apparently alive but if he gets a UK obit, I'm going to change my name legally to "Monkey Face In a Tree Agadoo" & the most famous (as it were) of them all is Rene Llense, of France, who had a long & successful career in the French leagues. But he won't get a UK obit either, I don't think.***


Despite my dire warning notes above, it might be worth trawling through a few World Cup Final players of yore. There's a few on the DDP this year (Ghiggia of Uruguay, for example), but the great Brazillian team of the 1950's must be getting on a bit now.

Do you know anything about French player Joseph Alcazar or Franz Cisar from that final? I came across them by accident and couldn't find anything about their deaths.

[Octopus of Odstock]

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Do you know anything about French player Joseph Alcazar or Franz Cisar from that final? I came across them by accident and couldn't find anything about their deaths.

That Wiki entry on Alcazar is shamefully wrong.

Alcazar died, first of all, April 4, 1979. But where on earth the Oran, Algeria came from, I do not know. He was known as Joseph "Pepito" Alcazar & part of the reason for this was because he was born in Spain - La Union, nr. Cartagena, to be precise.

As for Cisar, all I have on him is the following "dead, death date unconfirmed". I suppose in the issues of fairness, you could leave that one open, but I have no knowledge that he is still alive.

[Canadian Paul]

 Octopus of Odstock, on Apr 30 2008, 04:28 AM, said:

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Do you know anything about French player Joseph Alcazar or Franz Cisar from that final? I came across them by accident and couldn't find anything about their deaths.

That Wiki entry on Alcazar is shamefully wrong.

Alcazar died, first of all, April 4, 1979. But where on earth the Oran, Algeria came from, I do not know. He was known as Joseph "Pepito" Alcazar & part of the reason for this was because he was born in Spain - La Union, nr. Cartagena, to be precise.

As for Cisar, all I have on him is the following "dead, death date unconfirmed". I suppose in the issues of fairness, you could leave that one open, but I have no knowledge that he is still alive.

Doubt Cisar would get a proper obit even if he were alive anyhow.

In defense of Wikipedia, all three sources claim that he was born in Oran, although I can't speak to how professional those sources are.

Do you have a whole list of all the '34 players with their living status? Not that I want to steal it, just that you seem to be well organized on the topic.