Thatcher's First Ministry from cabinet to coffin...
#1
Posted 01 October 2007 - 11:26 AM
I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes...
Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (d. 2013)
William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999)
Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926)
John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007)
Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987)
Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001)
Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007)
Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919)
Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (d. 2010)
Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (d. 2012)
Francis Pym - Defence (d. 2008)
Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005)
James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927)
David Howell - Energy (b. 1936)
Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933)
Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926)
Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994)
Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996)
Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993)
George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003)
John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932)
Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934)
With Thatch gone, there's just 8 left....
"We're today's scrambled creatures, locked in tomorrow's double feature
Heaven's on the pillow, its silence competes with hell
It's a twenty-four hour service, guaranteed to make you tell
And the streets are full of press men
Bent on getting hung and buried
And the legendary curtains are drawn 'round Baby Bankrupt
Who sucks you while you're sleeping
It's the theatre of financiers
Count them, fifty 'round a table
White and dressed to kill."
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#2
Posted 01 October 2007 - 04:04 PM
themaninblack, on Oct 1 2007, 11:26 AM, said:
It does indeed seem as if Robin Day was wrong on that one
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#3
Posted 01 October 2007 - 06:26 PM
Last time I asked (admittedly about a year ago) he was still pretty active doing this and that. If I remember rightly he'd just moved into town so as not to have to travel so much, but that was about it
#5
Posted 01 October 2007 - 08:11 PM

Posted it in the Thatcher Thread about 2 years ago.
I expect many of them are on there unless they were in disgrace at the time.
#6
Posted 05 October 2007 - 02:00 AM
themaninblack, on Oct 1 2007, 12:26 PM, said:
I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes...
Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (b. 1925)
William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999)
Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926)
John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007)
Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987)
Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001)
Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007)
Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919)
Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (b. 1932)
Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (b. 1929)
Francis Pym - Defence (b. 1922)
Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005)
James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927)
David Howell - Energy (b. 1936)
Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933)
Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926)
Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994)
Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996)
Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993)
George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003)
John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932)
Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934)
So....10 are dead and 6 are 80+.
Pym's not well, Carrington's getting on and are probably the best bet.
I thought Jenkin died years ago. Not seen Nott for a while. Prior, Edwards & Howe also.
Stevas and Hezza are still knocking about on TV.
Walker crashed his car recently which suggests he's losing his marbles...
Which leaves Thatch and Howe, her Brutus....
JOhn Nott was on tv at the time of the Falklands 25th anniversdary in the sppring and looked in good nick.My bet is on Francis Pym to go soon as hes been 'on leave' from tje HOuse of Lords for a while now which probably means hes suffering from alzheimers or dementia or something.Incidentally 2 other former members of Thatchers cabinet have died this year-Paul Channon and Lord Cockfield,though they werent in h er original cabinet of course.
#7
Posted 05 October 2007 - 10:07 AM
themaninblack, on Oct 1 2007, 12:26 PM, said:
If a car crash is symptomatic for losing ones marbles then the asylums must be stuffed to the gunwales!
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#8
Posted 05 October 2007 - 04:52 PM
Josco, on Oct 5 2007, 11:07 AM, said:
He's getting on isn't he? I know there are all sorts of reasons for crashing cars (he may have had a tipple, but then we would know about that) so I'm plumping for early Senile Dementia. Either that or he was distracted by a cat or was fumbling for a CD...
"We're today's scrambled creatures, locked in tomorrow's double feature
Heaven's on the pillow, its silence competes with hell
It's a twenty-four hour service, guaranteed to make you tell
And the streets are full of press men
Bent on getting hung and buried
And the legendary curtains are drawn 'round Baby Bankrupt
Who sucks you while you're sleeping
It's the theatre of financiers
Count them, fifty 'round a table
White and dressed to kill."
David Bowie - We Are The Dead (1974)
#9
Posted 06 October 2007 - 08:10 AM
themaninblack, on Oct 5 2007, 05:52 PM, said:
#10
Posted 10 June 2009 - 10:10 PM
The local paper had quite a large obituary to her... Carrington himself seems to live a VERY quiet life & now the love of his life has died.... well, I wouldn't be surprised if he is not alive come June 2010 as a result.
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#11
Posted 10 June 2009 - 10:33 PM
Octopus of Odstock, on Jun 10 2009, 11:10 PM, said:
The local paper had quite a large obituary to her... Carrington himself seems to live a VERY quiet life & now the love of his life has died.... well, I wouldn't be surprised if he is not alive come June 2010 as a result.
She died one day after Lord Carrington's 90th Birthday. Must have been one hell of a night before...
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 12:31 PM
themaninblack, on 01 October 2007 - 11:26 AM, said:
I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes...
Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (b. 1925)
William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999)
Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926)
John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007)
Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987)
Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001)
Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007)
Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919)
Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (b. 1932)
Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (b. 1929)
Francis Pym - Defence (d. 2008)
Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005)
James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927)
David Howell - Energy (b. 1936)
Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933)
Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926)
Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994)
Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996)
Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993)
George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003)
John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932)
Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934)
So....10 are dead and 6 are 80+.
Pym's not well, Carrington's getting on and are probably the best bet.
I thought Jenkin died years ago. Not seen Nott for a while. Prior, Edwards & Howe also.
Stevas and Hezza are still knocking about on TV.
Walker crashed his car recently which suggests he's losing his marbles...
Which leaves Thatch and Howe, her Brutus....
#15
Posted 05 March 2012 - 01:32 PM
Guest, on 05 March 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:
themaninblack, on 01 October 2007 - 11:26 AM, said:
I'd thought I'd update you all on the current roll-call of politicians from Maggie's first cabinet from 1979 that are still on-message. Here goes...
Margaret Thatcher - Prime Minister (b. 1925)
William Whitelaw - Deputy PM/ Home Secretary (d. 1999)
Sir Geoffrey Howe - Chancellor of the Exchequer (b. 1926)
John Biffen - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (d. 2007)
Lord Soames - Lord President of the Council (d. 1987)
Lord Hailsham - Lord Chancellor (d. 2001)
Sir Ian Gilmour - Lord Privy Seal (d. 2007)
Lord Carrington - Foreign Secretary (b. 1919)
Peter Walker - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (b. 1932)
Norman St-John Stevas - Arts/ Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (b. 1929)
Francis Pym - Defence (d. 2008)
Mark Carlisle - Education & Science (d. 2005)
James Prior - Employment (bet he had a jolly time then!) (b. 1927)
David Howell - Energy (b. 1936)
Michael Heseltine - Environment (b. 1933)
Patrick Jenkin - Health & Social Security (b. 1926)
Keith Joseph (architect of Thatcherism) - Industry (d. 1994)
Humphrey Atkins - Northern Ireland (d. 1996)
Angus Maude - Paymaster-General (d. 1993)
George Younger - Scotland (d. 2003)
John Nott (Here today, gone tomorrow?) - President of the Board of Trade (b. 1932)
Nicholas Edwards - Wales (b. 1934)
So....10 are dead and 6 are 80+.
Pym's not well, Carrington's getting on and are probably the best bet.
I thought Jenkin died years ago. Not seen Nott for a while. Prior, Edwards & Howe also.
Stevas and Hezza are still knocking about on TV.
Walker crashed his car recently which suggests he's losing his marbles...
Which leaves Thatch and Howe, her Brutus....
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 02:05 PM
EDIT: Which I have done!
"We're today's scrambled creatures, locked in tomorrow's double feature
Heaven's on the pillow, its silence competes with hell
It's a twenty-four hour service, guaranteed to make you tell
And the streets are full of press men
Bent on getting hung and buried
And the legendary curtains are drawn 'round Baby Bankrupt
Who sucks you while you're sleeping
It's the theatre of financiers
Count them, fifty 'round a table
White and dressed to kill."
David Bowie - We Are The Dead (1974)
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 05:30 PM
Guest, on 05 March 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:
Have you noticed that every member of Maggies cabinet who have died have died younger than she is by several years.Only 2 have lived longer than she has (so far), Lord Carrington and Lord Hailsham. I think the strain of being in her cabinet drove most of them to an early grave...
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