Posted 19 August 2012 - 03:17 PM
Lard Bazaar, on 19 August 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:
People, we are straying into the dangerous territory of a 'serious and intelligent' conversation here, careful now!
My tuppence worth - I think the fact that some of us weren't alive when the Moors Murders occurred is irrelevant - that fact makes the events no less horrific in my opinion, and does not preclude people from feeling emotion of whatever kind about it.
Treat others as you would like to be treated? - mostly I do that, but if I were in a room with somebody that had tortured my child to death in the most hideous of fashions, I fear I would not be able to stop myself beating the living shit out of the cunt - but I suppose, like the 'would you kill your terminally ill family member' question, one cannot know what they would do until they were in that position.
My views differ on a daily basis about whether people like Brady should be put to death - sometimes I think it's better to make them suffer for years and years, but other days I think there is no place in a civilised society for people like him so do the straightforward and sensible thing and eliminate them at the earliest opportunity. But he's had nigh on 50 years to rot in prison - kill the bastard now, I say, and have done with it. In Daily-Mail mode, why the fuck should I pay taxes to keep somebody like him alive, when my money could be going to people like my dementia-ridden nan and paralysed-by-stroke grandad, who really need help from the state?
This is obviously a very emotive subject that will attract many different points of view, a good healthy debate!
I myself am quite a pacifistic type, but I suspect I would do the same if stuck in a room with someone who had done the same. There's a Clarence Darrow quote I like to refer to, which I'll have to paraphrase here: "I don't wish death on people, but I've read many an obituary with satisfaction." I admit this is a flawed reaction, but I am a flawed human being, much like most of us.
I wasn't alive during the Moors Murders, but I have been alive to see Brady's machinations in the press, and the way he toyed with the surviving family of his victims. It's still a living memory event in the way older crimes aren't. (See also the nation's fascination with Ronnie Biggs!) Even if it wasn't, I'd say it was horrible enough to have to be remembered as part of history.
I tend to see the world in fairly extensive shades of grey rather than black and white, so someone like Brady who seems to do what he did (and does) for fun... well, it's as close to a definition of evil as I'm willing to tread, and is rather disturbing. Even so, it's cases like this that harden my views against the death penalty. That in theory is a punishment that if we dish it out, we must be rational in a case, and this is one that makes even the most rational tempestuous. Beyond the cost issues, the chances of innocence in cases in generals (not here), I retain the strong belief, possibly naively, that if the State kills people, then we as a people are falling to their level.
Re- afterlife, that's very much a personal thing to the individual.
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