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[Rotten Ali]

themaninblack, on Jul 3 2009, 06:09 PM, said:

DevonDeathTrip, on Jul 3 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

Deemed fit to stand trial.

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His son, John Demjanjuk Jr. said that German doctors have determined his father has about 16 months to live, due to his incurable leukemic bone marrow disease.

So give or take a couple of months, he should be dead by the end of 2010...

Look, its July now and if he does only 3 more months than this talked-up "oh he's ill - leave him alone" estimate then he misses 2010. Now in my book that's more like a 40/60 call for next year. I'll be having another look in December for sure but for now he has to be much better value in 2011.

[Vaagheid]

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[Ageless Immortal Giant]

Terminator, on Jun 9 2009, 12:14 AM, said:

TDF, on May 27 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

ghostofchat7, on May 25 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

Yeah, he was found innocent in the past, when he was suspected of being Ivan the Terrible. He has lived a good life, and this last part is just childish of the New World Order bullies.

GOC7 - What is this "New World Order" you keep posting about? Don't tell me, let me guess....

Your team has been relegated?

New World Order = Zionists = Jews

If so, Ivan will be made an example of.

Look up the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on Wikipedia, that's a similar idea to this "New World Order" stuff. Or search on Google for Alex Jones and look at his site infowars.com. That'll tell you what that stuff is about.

[TAFKAG]

Trial begins. Looks like he's pretending to be dead, which is always a fine defence.

[Tuber Mirum]

TAFKAG, on Nov 30 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

Trial begins. Looks like he's pretending to be dead, which is always a fine defence.

Apparently the whole thing is disgacefully badly organised with about twice as many permits given to the press than there is room for in the courtroom. They also decided not to have the trial in a bigger room for some reason.

A Jewish commentator I heard on the radio said Demjanjuk's unlikely to get found guilty unless he can be proven to have committed murder over and above the call of duty. "Like having torn the head off a baby for fun" is how he put it I think. Roughly.

[Windsor]

And the Oscar for best actor goes to...

Mind you...it is very convincing...

[tomarse]

If he's not putting it on then I don't see him lasting till the end of the trial (6 months).

Good banker for 2010 maybe.

[Rotten Ali]

Page last updated at 11:02 GMT, Wednesday, 2 December 2009

Trial of Nazi suspect Demjanjuk delayed due to illness

Doctors said Demjanjuk had a fever caused by an unidentified infection.
The trial in Munich of alleged Nazi guard John Demjanjuk has been adjourned after the 89-year-old was taken sick.

The retired Ohio carworker had a fever that had continued to rise after medication, said the court, adding that his trial would resume on 21 December.

Mr Demjanjuk denies helping to murder 27,900 Jews at the Sobibor death camp.

His lawyer has called for the trial to be abandoned on grounds of poor health. Holocaust survivors have said Mr Demjanjuk is playing up his illness.

Prosecutors say the defendant volunteered to join the Nazis and shared their racist ideology.

The Ukraine-born accused maintains that he was a Soviet soldier who was captured by the Germans, and therefore spent most of the war in prison camps.

The trial is expected to last until May and, if found guilty, Mr Demjanjuk could be sentenced to 15 years in jail.

The court said Mr Demjanjuk had been examined by doctors in a prison hospital two hours before Wednesday's session was due to start, and found to have a fever caused by an unidentified infection.

"This chamber has determined not to proceed because it is not that the defendant does not want to come, but that he cannot come," said Presiding Judge Ralph Alt.

Wednesday's hearing was to have featured testimony from 40 relatives of victims of Sobibor - a camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

A lawyer for some of the group, who are co-plaintiffs under German law, said they were "slightly frustrated" by the decision to postpone proceedings

Having been deported to Germany from the US in May, Mr Demjanjuk appeared weak during the first two days of his trial, lying in a wheelchair, covered in a blanket with his eyes closed.

Doctors had asked that daily hearings be limited to two 90-minute sessions.

[ImissMontpellier]

First on my list

[Magere Hein]

Guest, on Jan 1 2010, 05:07 PM, said:

Demjanjuk deserves to be left in peace for whatever time he has left. I remember when he was put on trial in Isriel and was set free. Now it just seems like Germany or Europe or whatever is just looking for a scapegoat. Obviously a sick old man is all they can handle.

There are not many people left from that time who are not old or sick. As far as I know, illness or being old are, from themselves, no reasons to not put someone on trial. If the crime is trivial, these may well be good reasons, but we're discussing a suspect of mass murder and war crimes. By international legal rules, war crimes have no statute of limitation.

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Besides, he knows the truth about what he did or didn't do.

That's true for all suspects.

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That was over 60 years ago. Let it go. Better yet, 60 years from now, how about some of the armed forces we have in Iraq and Afganistan be put on trial by those respective countries, and don't forget Vietnam, in 10 years or so let's let them take a few surviving 'nam vets and put them on trial for following orders.

Ah, you touch a good point there. It doesn't seem likely Vietnam will cause much activity in this respect. Iraq and Afghanistan may prove to be different, although I doubt it. The scale of those wars is different and there are no clear winners and losers, as was the case in WWII.

All that said: I sympathise with your sentiments. It's all rather pathetic. On the other hand: I sympathise more with the relatives of the victims of those suspected of these horrible crimes. I hate the thought of them getting away with it, if they're guilty.

regards,
Hein

[Tomb raider]

Guest, on Jan 1 2010, 05:07 PM, said:

Demjanjuk deserves to be left in peace for whatever time he has left. I remember when he was put on trial in Isriel and was set free. Now it just seems like Germany or Europe or whatever is just looking for a scapegoat. Obviously a sick old man is all they can handle. Besides, he knows the truth about what he did or didn't do. That was over 60 years ago. Let it go. Better yet, 60 years from now, how about some of the armed forces we have in Iraq and Afganistan be put on trial by those respective countries, and don't forget Vietnam, in 10 years or so let's let them take a few surviving 'nam vets and put them on trial for following orders. Oh yeah, before that, Korea needs a Korean war vet, even though it was just a "police action" not a war.

None of your arguments make sense to me.

1. Why would Germany or Europe need a scapegoat for WW II? Don't you think that they have as much scapegoats for that as they'd possibly want? In fact: so many people have been held responsible - in court as well as in the public debate - that they could easily form a Scapegoat Trade Union for Fascist Fuckheads.
2. Germany is perfectly capable of handling any suspect, from penis-eating gay cannibals to the most gruesome child molesters. Stating that 'a sick old man is all they can handle' is ridiculous.
3. 'He knows the truth about what he did or didn't do' is hardly a valid argument in a trial. Even the nazi hotshots that were convicted in Nuremberg after the war declared themselves to be innocent.
4. It certainly was over 60 years ago. So what? We're not talking about a child nicking a candybar from the local grocery store, this man is suspected to be one of the worst mass murderers in the concentration camp Sobibor - an unprecedented crime for which he should be prosecuted up to the very gates of hell.
5. I agree that none of the veterans of Vietnam, Iraq or where-ever are likely to be prosecuted for war crimes sixty years later. Well, they probably should, don't you think? That some of the sadists who tortured civilians in Abu Graib never will stand trial is a disgrace, but has nothing to do with Demjanjuk.

This trial is of course a little bit ironic for Demjanjuk, because the main reason that he is now brought to trial is that he's managed to live to a ripe old age. Many of his fellow camp guards have been dead for a long time without ever being held responsible for anything. Much more important nazi's than Demjanjuk have got away with it. That's a shame, but in my opinion it's no reason to let Demjanjuk run. If he's guilty, I hope he'll rot in jail for the rest of his miserable pathetic life.

[Ulitzer95]

Trial session cancelled - Demjanjuk "ill"

Anybody else think that a sweepstake is in order?

[Vaagheid]

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[Ulitzer95]

Vaagheid, on Jan 14 2010, 10:15 PM, said:

Ulitzer95, on Jan 14 2010, 10:59 PM, said:

Trial session cancelled - Demjanjuk "ill"

Anybody else think that a sweepstake is in order?

I doubt if he will die soon, but I pick the 9th of march nonetheless

(just to make sure no one claims this date if there is a sweepstake)

Good shout, I was afraid nobody would reply and I'd end up looking like a pratt.

Well I think he is ill.... to an extent. Although he's clearly exaggerating a lot of the time.

Might go for March 17th, quite random but that's my birthday so I guess it's a present of a sort.... okay now I just sound like a creep...

[Vaagheid]

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[Rotten Ali]

<---- I'll play it long with June the 2nd.

[Paul Bearer]

If we're all playing games again, I'll take 1st April

[deadsox]

I do not believe that a sweepstakes would be in order. That should be reserved for candidates who are clearly at the end. Although Mr. Demjanjuk is a decent candidate, his ailment is one that can be lived with for a long time. You can also add the "on trial/imprisoned" factor that gives people a great reason to exaggerate illnesses. That being said, I love a competition, so I'll go for July 23, 2012. (Who will be keeping track of this anyway?)

[Tomb raider]

deadsox, on Jan 17 2010, 01:08 PM, said:

I do not believe that a sweepstakes would be in order. That should be reserved for candidates who are clearly at the end. Although Mr. Demjanjuk is a decent candidate, his ailment is one that can be lived with for a long time. You can also add the "on trial/imprisoned" factor that gives people a great reason to exaggerate illnesses. That being said, I love a competition, so I'll go for July 23, 2012. (Who will be keeping track of this anyway?)

Vaagheid, of course! He started it...

I'll pick april 20th. That's not my birthday, it's Hitler's - mine is april 21st.