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#201 Madame Defarge

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 01:11 AM

There are cases where there is no "reasonable doubt" - Myra Hyndley, Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley etc etc.



Three of those, Sutcliffe, Huntley and Brady are locked up in institutions for the criminally insane etc, etc.


Point of order. I'm pretty sure that Ian Huntley is still in a mainstream prison and has never spent time in a psychiatric institution. Also, don't forget that Ian Brady was fit to plea at his trial and didn't enter psychiatric care until he'd been behind bars for nearly twenty years.

Aye, right DDT, Huntley was in Rampton before he was judged fit to stand trial and since sentencing has served his time in jail ( with the odd spell in hospital). That seemed a reasonable decision to me. I suppose I was trying to make the point, though probably not very well, that it is very hard to determine the extent to which people are bonkers or not. The bonkers defence saved Rudolph Hess from the rope and I still don't think anyone really knows just how deranged he was.

I don't believe in the biblical eye for an eye but the question I was raising is whether the death penalty is right for someone who is "not all there". But a kind of reverse Catch 22 argument is that you have to be wrong in the head to murder someone. There are also degrees of bonkersness in the judicial system. One does not need to be totally off one's rocker to pursue a claim for diminished responsibility.

Another argument against the death penalty is the question of whether it is good for society as a whole. Evidence has been presented in the past recording rises in violent crime around the time of executions.

It also seems pretty clear that many murderers are products of deprived or violent families and sometimes the origins of this violence were what we might call "state sponsored". Mira Hindley's father was an ex-para in the Second World War when his propensity for violence against the enemy would have been regarded as commendable. But when he applied this violence to the upbringing of his daughter it created a woman not only anaesthetised to suffering but probably also taking pleasure from exercising power and seeing others suffer.

Meeting brutality with brutality is not the way to create a civilised society.

Recently there was an horrific case where a mother decided her child would be better off dead than alive without her, and forced her autistic 12 year old son to drink bleach. I read a lot of comments in the press excusing the mother because she was unstable, and because of the difficulties in raising a non-verbal child.

One can only imagine how the boy must have suffered before he died. Whether it was madness, despair, or any combination of both on the mother's part, I have to admit that this is where the eye-for-an eye stuff starts sounding good to me. However I am opposed to the death penalty for all of the reasons Godot and the others mentioned and also because her death would not bring the child back.

It was fundamentally wrong for this woman to play god with her child's life, and in my opinion it would be just as wrong for the state to take this same responsibility regarding the mother's life upon itself, for whatever reason.
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 01:38 AM

There was a letter in the local paper (P+J) today written by a Doctor of some sort. He was advocating bringing back both capital and corporal punishment as a means of justice for criminal offences.
His letter was prompted by a recent story where a man had been sent to prison for brutally beating his girlfriend's baby son to death. The Doctor refused to accept that the state, and he as a taxpayer, should support the life of this 'monster' whilst in prison. Thus executing the murderer was the best value to society all round. I don't know what he thought his letter would achieve, but by the end of it my thoughts were less focussed on the evil baby beater, and more focussed on the fact that the writer was a bit of a nutjob.

I predict that tomorrow someone will take an over the top view opposing what the Doctor wrote - and I'll probably disagree with that nutjob too...

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:37 AM

Damn ... I should've included the answer "No, except for Gary Glitter"


At least Gary Glitter was shagging girls and not boys... Weren't they prostitutes?

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:52 PM

I cannot vote until the method of execution is revealed,If its hanging I'll vote "yes" cos I want to be the official executioner like Albert Pierrepoint as I want a career change,also if it did comeback SKY could televise it and make money by "pay-per-view" the monies made could be handed over to the victims families

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:56 PM


Damn ... I should've included the answer "No, except for Gary Glitter"


At least Gary Glitter was shagging girls and not boys... Weren't they prostitutes?


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 08:17 PM

Lol at glitter gag...

Regards to op, hell yeah. Problem comes when we argue over what constitutes a capital crime. Eg

Peado = life, no parole.
Tory = death. And their kids. And their neighbours for harbouding them

Zero public hangings in Scotland :(...
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:06 PM

I cannot vote until the method of execution is revealed,If its hanging I'll vote "yes" cos I want to be the official executioner like Albert Pierrepoint as I want a career change,also if it did comeback SKY could televise it and make money by "pay-per-view" the monies made could be handed over to the victims families


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:18 PM

There are some crimes (noncing, for example) where an individual will either a ) always be a threat or b ) if genuinely reformed, should be unable to live with themselves.

For these crimes we should save ourselves some money and them some anguish and euthanise them.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:02 PM

Why is this discussion attached to the hyperlink to Nelson Mandela's entry?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:27 AM

Anyone who has saw the movie the secret in her eyes deals with this subject well.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:26 PM

Last night the white supremacist who shot the American porn baron Larry Flynt, leaving him paralyzed, was executed via lethal injection in Missouri.

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 09:32 PM

http://www.complex.c...s-firing-squads

Utah State Representative wants to bring back firing squad executions!

I think this is partially in response to that thing where there was "outrage" a couple of weeks back, because a lethal injection went wrong.

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 01:50 PM

The Indonesians prepare to execute members of the Bali 9 drug smuggling group by firing squad. http://www.smh.com.a...426-1mtr7q.html

 

Horrid way to go, though possibly as horrid as the potential deaths of addicts. I really don't know where I stand on this. But I know where they stand. In front of barrels of weapons. Over there. In front of the world.


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Posted 27 April 2015 - 11:14 AM

I voted no... For some of the people who might deserve the death penalty, it would be an easy way out. I think it's a harsher punishment to spend the rest of life in prison, the natural life span, that is. Also, it always leaves open the paths of redemption, regret, or maybe even an opportunity for new evidence to overturn a verdict.


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Posted 27 April 2015 - 03:44 PM

I voted no... For some of the people who might deserve the death penalty, it would be an easy way out. I think it's a harsher punishment to spend the rest of life in prison, the natural life span, that is. Also, it always leaves open the paths of redemption, regret, or maybe even an opportunity for new evidence to overturn a verdict.

 

or hopefully give the family(ies) of the person(s) they murdered details of where their body is, so they can get closure, in the case of Brady & Hindley.

 

The reason why I'm against the death penalty is mostly because of high profile cases with Derek Bentley and Timothy Evans, where the wrong person was sent to the gallows.


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Posted 28 April 2015 - 03:54 PM

The Indonesians prepare to execute members of the Bali 9 drug smuggling group by firing squad. http://www.smh.com.a...426-1mtr7q.html

 

Horrid way to go, though possibly as horrid as the potential deaths of addicts. I really don't know where I stand on this. But I know where they stand. In front of barrels of weapons. Over there. In front of the world.

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 04:14 PM

I wonder if there is a radio in the waiting room? A bit of Johnny Cash at 5.35pm might cheer them all up

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 06:50 PM


This thread must be for outing yanks and jihadists imo...


Bali...scared of death penalty? Don't go there on holiday. And certainly don't hoof drugs in.

Same as USA.

As my passport is up for renewal in august, and I have never used it (needed for mortgage at the time) , I doubt it will trouble me.
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Posted 28 April 2015 - 11:38 PM

If you (the state) don't execute the perp then you are saying that the victim didn't matter, or got what he deserved. A person's life is so valuable that the wanton taking of it by a perp requires payment in-kind.

 



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Posted 29 April 2015 - 04:38 AM

A person's life is so valuable that the wanton taking of it by a perp requires payment in-kind.


The logic of that sentence escapes me.

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