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29. Margaret Thatcher 

Depor23's Photo Depor23 14 Jan 2012

Ah, OK. In Australia, they're handing them out like they're going out of fashion. I think Steve Irwin got offered one and Peter Brock received one. Pretty sure Johnny Warren got one too.
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maryportfuncity's Photo maryportfuncity 14 Jan 2012

Some people think Thatcher should because

1 - Longest serving 20th century Prime Minister and seen by some in the country as a great leader.

2 - She declared and won a war.

Still no Churchill and highly divisive in a recession to blow that much money on someone so hated by a fair section of the country. As for the war leadership, we'd have to consider the same for Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron on that basis. Major led us in a bigger conflict won more easily, so - arguably - he's a better bet than all the others, and nobody is suggesting him for state honours.
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Toast's Photo Toast 14 Jan 2012

View Postmaryportfuncity, on 14 January 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

Still no Churchill and highly divisive in a recession to blow that much money on someone so hated by a fair section of the country. As for the war leadership, we'd have to consider the same for Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron on that basis. Major led us in a bigger conflict won more easily, so - arguably - he's a better bet than all the others, and nobody is suggesting him for state honours.

I agree.

This Mail article presents it as a done deal. It's undated but seems to be about four years old. Some interesting bits though

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To date the only Prime Minister in the 20th and 21st centuries to be given this honour was Churchill.
There were four non-Royal State funerals in the 19th century – Nelson, Wellington, Palmerston and Gladstone.

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Informed sources last night confirmed that the Queen and Gordon Brown had given their blessing to the preparation of funeral arrangements for Lady Thatcher in recognition both of her achievements and for being Britain’s first woman Prime Minister.

Bit sexist, innit. I mean, so what?
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angryGreatness's Photo angryGreatness 14 Jan 2012

View PostToast, on 14 January 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

View PostDepor23, on 14 January 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

But what's the dealio with State Funerals in the UK? Is every ex-PM entitled to one?

No. The last one was for Sir Winston Churchill.

Even the Queen Mother didn't get a full-on State Funeral, so I am mystified why people think Thatch might.

Perhaps it's similar to the United States, where leaders will often deny a state funeral in their will. The only reason Nixon didn't get one was because he refused one.
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sympathyforthedevil's Photo sympathyforthedevil 15 Jan 2012

View PostangryGreatness, on 14 January 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

View PostToast, on 14 January 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

View PostDepor23, on 14 January 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

But what's the dealio with State Funerals in the UK? Is every ex-PM entitled to one?

No. The last one was for Sir Winston Churchill.

Even the Queen Mother didn't get a full-on State Funeral, so I am mystified why people think Thatch might.

Perhaps it's similar to the United States, where leaders will often deny a state funeral in their will. The only reason Nixon didn't get one was because he refused one.

You sure it was nothing to do with the fact that he was a huge crook?
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Windsor's Photo Windsor 16 Jan 2012

Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html

A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
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Phantom's Photo Phantom 16 Jan 2012

View PostWindsor, on 16 January 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html

A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.

I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you.
I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia.
One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan.
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sympathyforthedevil's Photo sympathyforthedevil 16 Jan 2012

View PostPhantom, on 16 January 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

View PostWindsor, on 16 January 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html

A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.

I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you.
I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia.
One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan.

Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father!
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Phantom's Photo Phantom 16 Jan 2012

View Postsympathyforthedevil, on 16 January 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

View PostPhantom, on 16 January 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

View PostWindsor, on 16 January 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html

A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.

I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you.
I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia.
One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan.

Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father!

If they just answered Bush, we had to ask them which one :)
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Magere Hein's Photo Magere Hein 16 Jan 2012

View Postsympathyforthedevil, on 16 January 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father!

From that one would expect that in subjects of a monarchy early stages of dementia are less easily spotted, when asked after the name of the monarch. Another good reason for the republic.

regards,
Hein
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themaninblack's Photo themaninblack 17 Jan 2012

If she replied that she was still the PM, then the marbles really have been lost...
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Guest_Guest_* 20 Mar 2012

Lady Thatcher appears in public for first time in months .. http://www.dailymail...lic-outing.html Looking pretty good!
Edited by Magere Hein, 20 March 2012 - 08:44 AM.
: Post moved from topic "Political Frailty"
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Davey Jones' Locker's Photo Davey Jones' Locker 21 Mar 2012

View PostDepor23, on 14 January 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Ah, OK. In Australia, they're handing them out like they're going out of fashion. I think Steve Irwin got offered one and Peter Brock received one. Pretty sure Johnny Warren got one too.

I hear that Jim Stynes is even going to get one.
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JR976evil's Photo JR976evil 26 Mar 2012

View PostDavey Jones' Locker, on 25 March 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:


A parting shot perhaps?
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SalmonMousse's Photo SalmonMousse 26 Mar 2012

View PostJR976evil, on 26 March 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

View PostDavey Jones' Locker, on 25 March 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:


A parting shot perhaps?

I bet she is not the only one who wishes she had not gone into politics
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Razor Boy's Photo Razor Boy 26 Mar 2012

From those naughty people at B3ta.com LINK
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Damon Killian's Photo Damon Killian 16 Apr 2012

Is there no news of her dying a horrible slow death yet ?
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msc's Photo msc 16 Apr 2012

View PostYongle Emperor, on 16 April 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

Is there no news of her dying a horrible slow death yet ?

Depends on your view of dementia.
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Damon Killian's Photo Damon Killian 30 Apr 2012

I can't find where I put it, but I am sticking by my prediction of Thatcher dying on my birthday 2nd May
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