29. Margaret Thatcher
Depor23
14 Jan 2012
Ah, OK. In Australia, they're handing them out like they're going out of fashion. I think Steve Irwin got offered one and Peter Brock received one. Pretty sure Johnny Warren got one too.
maryportfuncity
14 Jan 2012
Some people think Thatcher should because
1 - Longest serving 20th century Prime Minister and seen by some in the country as a great leader.
2 - She declared and won a war.
Still no Churchill and highly divisive in a recession to blow that much money on someone so hated by a fair section of the country. As for the war leadership, we'd have to consider the same for Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron on that basis. Major led us in a bigger conflict won more easily, so - arguably - he's a better bet than all the others, and nobody is suggesting him for state honours.
1 - Longest serving 20th century Prime Minister and seen by some in the country as a great leader.
2 - She declared and won a war.
Still no Churchill and highly divisive in a recession to blow that much money on someone so hated by a fair section of the country. As for the war leadership, we'd have to consider the same for Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron on that basis. Major led us in a bigger conflict won more easily, so - arguably - he's a better bet than all the others, and nobody is suggesting him for state honours.
Toast
14 Jan 2012
maryportfuncity, on 14 January 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:
Still no Churchill and highly divisive in a recession to blow that much money on someone so hated by a fair section of the country. As for the war leadership, we'd have to consider the same for Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron on that basis. Major led us in a bigger conflict won more easily, so - arguably - he's a better bet than all the others, and nobody is suggesting him for state honours.
I agree.
This Mail article presents it as a done deal. It's undated but seems to be about four years old. Some interesting bits though
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To date the only Prime Minister in the 20th and 21st centuries to be given this honour was Churchill.
There were four non-Royal State funerals in the 19th century – Nelson, Wellington, Palmerston and Gladstone.
There were four non-Royal State funerals in the 19th century – Nelson, Wellington, Palmerston and Gladstone.
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Informed sources last night confirmed that the Queen and Gordon Brown had given their blessing to the preparation of funeral arrangements for Lady Thatcher in recognition both of her achievements and for being Britain’s first woman Prime Minister.
Bit sexist, innit. I mean, so what?
angryGreatness
14 Jan 2012
sympathyforthedevil
15 Jan 2012
angryGreatness, on 14 January 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:
You sure it was nothing to do with the fact that he was a huge crook?
Windsor
16 Jan 2012
Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html
A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
Phantom
16 Jan 2012
Windsor, on 16 January 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:
Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html
A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you.
I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia.
One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan.
sympathyforthedevil
16 Jan 2012
Phantom, on 16 January 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:
Windsor, on 16 January 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:
Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html
A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you.
I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia.
One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan.
Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father!
Phantom
16 Jan 2012
sympathyforthedevil, on 16 January 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:
Phantom, on 16 January 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:
Windsor, on 16 January 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:
Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html
A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy.
I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you.
I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia.
One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan.
Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father!
If they just answered Bush, we had to ask them which one
Magere Hein
16 Jan 2012
sympathyforthedevil, on 16 January 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:
Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father!
From that one would expect that in subjects of a monarchy early stages of dementia are less easily spotted, when asked after the name of the monarch. Another good reason for the republic.
regards,
Hein
themaninblack
17 Jan 2012
If she replied that she was still the PM, then the marbles really have been lost...
Guest_Guest_* 20 Mar 2012
Lady Thatcher appears in public for first time in months .. http://www.dailymail...lic-outing.html Looking pretty good!
Edited by Magere Hein, 20 March 2012 - 08:44 AM.
: Post moved from topic "Political Frailty"
Edited by Magere Hein, 20 March 2012 - 08:44 AM.
: Post moved from topic "Political Frailty"
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Damon Killian
30 Apr 2012
I can't find where I put it, but I am sticking by my prediction of Thatcher dying on my birthday 2nd May


