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There are some more rumours in the Italian press that he is about to resign (yawn). Here is a screenshot of the article that someone evidently ran through Google translate. Probably the most notable thing about it is how much the Pope resembles a little old woman now :o:puke: :

 

 

 

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In other news, more of the usual accusations of money laundering by the Mafia Vatican Bank: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112159/Vatican-classed-likely-involved-money-laundering-Yemen-Algeria-North-Korea.html

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Sometimes you just have to laugh - the pope dons a sombrero in Mexico:

 

 

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Doesn't look like the stress of the trip has put him anywhere near death's door but skin is fairly terrible these days. Not much spark in the eyes either if that one photo is any guide.

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As a side note Pope Benedict XVI surpassed Pope John Paul II at age of death on February 29, 2012. I have been saying for years that Benedict has been in better shape than JPII at his age and at this point him just having a pulse puts him in far better shape.

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Still capable of celebrating mass this week in Cuba, mind. Some popes have remained in office when they couldn't manage that.

 

Me, I prefer to celebrate mass by studying the lives of the terminally obese and selecting the likliest for dead pool duties, but that's another story.

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Still capable of celebrating mass this week in Cuba, mind. Some popes have remained in office when they couldn't manage that.

 

Me, I prefer to celebrate mass by studying the lives of the terminally obese and selecting the likliest for dead pool duties, but that's another story.

 

That's a different kind of mass.

 

regards,

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This is completely offtopic as it has nothing to do with the Pope or death but it is "another day, another disaster" for the Roman Catholic Church:

 

 

"A priest in Northern Ireland is under investigation for showing indecent images during a Holy Communion presentation. :pop:

 

Father Martin McVeigh was giving parents in County Tyrone a PowerPoint presentation in preparation for the ceremony. But when images from a memory card were projected onto the screen, they included 16 indecent images of men. :puke:

 

Parents say the priest looked shaken, grabbed the memory stick, and bolted out of the room. :D

 

He returned 20 minutes later to wrap up the meeting, saying children get lots of money for their Holy Communion and should consider giving some of it to the church." :rolleyes:

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"While the pontiff appeared frail and tired after his trip to Mexico and Cuba last month. He has nevertheless been taking part in Holy Week with his characteristic spiritual vigour, on Thursday a stinging rebuke to rebellious priests on Thursday."

 

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hQ1zfuje0242LyvG9dL5T4SsIN1g?docId=CNG.37fee7bb5fcad0a358dab231488ed95e.2f1

 

EDIT: If that small quote is any guide, it seems that the standard of grammar and proof-reading at AFP has fallen dramatically....

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Another batch of (very mixed) health reports trickling in as part of the Easter round-up:

 

 

"The Pope, who turns 85 this month, has recently taken to using a cane and other devices to help him move during public ceremonies, and some observers have speculated that the less physically vigorous pontiff’s leadership grip of the church might be loosening" - sounds about right with the factions of cardinals running amok lately. I'd say his crackdown on the Austrians who are daring to question his authority was driven by these factions....

 

Source: http://thechronicleherald.ca/world/81649-pope-denounces-priests-who-want-ordain-women-abolish-celibacy

 

By contrast, "The pope, who celebrates his 85th birthday on April 16th, has looked reasonably vigorous this week, notwithstanding that his extensive schedule of Easter celebrations comes just 10 days after his return from a tiring six-day visit to Mexico and Cuba."

 

Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/0407/1224314495818.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This is a much more substantial article about the Pope's health (still just a cash-in on the seasonal Easter rise in interest in the pontiff though). Still, there are lots of details here about the old b*st*rd's health that we have never heard before - paydirt!!!

 

 

Brother's fears for an ailing pontiff, as concerns grow for health of Pope Benedict XVI

 

 

* by: John Follain

* From: The Sunday Times

* April 08, 2012 2:08PM

 

 

 

WHEN Georg Ratzinger, a priest, heard that his brother Joseph had been elected Pope, he felt no joy: he was too concerned about the mental and physical strain that being Pope Benedict XVI would impose on a man whose health was already frail.

 

Georg's disclosure, in a memoir published last week, has compounded anxiety about the health of the Pope, who will celebrate his 85th birthday a week tomorrow. He is the oldest pontiff for more than a century.

 

After a gruelling trip to Mexico and Cuba, the heavy Easter schedule clearly weighed on the Pope who looked tired as he stood before 20,000 faithful at the traditional procession of the Via Crucis (Way of the Cross) around the Colosseum in Rome on Good Friday.

 

In a further sign he is feeling drained, Benedict celebrated Easter Eve mass in St Peter's Basilica at 9pm last night instead of at midnight.

 

In My Brother the Pope, published in Italy, Georg, 88, writes: “To be honest, I have to say that at that moment (his election in 2005) I felt crestfallen, dispirited. For him it was a big challenge, a taxing commitment, and I was seriously worried. I didn't think of the honours or the positive aspects, but only of the toil and the burden which that responsibility meant for my brother.” Georg said he had gone to bed that night feeling “depressed”.

 

His concern about Benedict, the oldest Pope since Leo XII, who died in 1903 at the age of 93, was understandable. He is believed to have had a heart operation while still a cardinal.Shortly after his election, Benedict set up a medical unit in his private apartment in the Apostolic Palace.

 

Caroline Pigozzi, the author of a book of interviews with cardinals entitled The Red Robes, said the Pope was “very concerned” about his own state of health.

 

“Benedict's heart condition means that he doesn't go on many trips. When he does, he keeps them very short and a cardiologist always accompanies him,” she said.

 

According to Pigozzi, the Pope suffers from an irregular heartbeat, breathlessness, chronic fatigue and drops in blood pressure. His doctors are treating him with anticoagulant drugs.

 

Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's spokesman, insists he is “in fantastic condition” but he often looked frail and unsteady during his trip to Mexico and Cuba last month.

 

A source close to the Vatican claimed that the Pope suffered from atrial fibrillation, one of the most common forms of abnormal heart rhythm and a big cause of strokes.

 

Marco Politi, author of Joseph Ratzinger: A Papacy in Crisis, said the Pope had suffered two minor strokes when he was a cardinal. “Benedict gets tired very quickly, so he often looks exhausted.”

 

The Pope also has a painful right leg and has taken to using a walking stick in his apartment. He was seen using it for the first time in public last month at Fiumicino airport in Rome as he made his way from his helicopter to the plane for his flight to Mexico.

 

Benedict's daily schedule leaves plenty of time for rest. He receives visitors in the mornings, rests after lunch then meets officials after 6pm. He has dinner at 7.30pm, then watches the television news and goes for a short walk before retiring.

 

In an interview with a German news agency last week, Georg said he thought his brother would cut back his foreign trips because they increasingly wore him out. The Pope has only a trip to Lebanon planned this September.

 

Michael Hesemann, who co-wrote Georg Ratzinger's book, said a papal resignation was still far away. “The Pope has a very healthy, very regular lifestyle. He's sometimes exhausted but he's able to recover very quickly, even after a challenging trip like his visit to Mexico and Cuba.

 

Source: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/brothers-fears-for-an-ailing-pontiff-as-concerns-grow-for-health-of-pope-benedict-xvi/story-e6frg6so-1226321459864

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Pope marks milestones amid signs of frailty, succession talk

 

 

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict marks two milestones this week and while his health appears stable, signs of frailty have again prompted speculation over whether he will be the first pontiff in seven centuries to resign.

 

Benedict, one of the oldest popes in history, turns 85 on Monday, and on Thursday he marks the seventh anniversary of his election as successor to the immensely popular John Paul II.

 

Speaking to pilgrims and tourists in St Peter's Square on Sunday, he noted Thursday's anniversary and asked for prayers "so that the Lord may give me the strength to carry out the mission he has entrusted to me".

 

Benedict is already older than John Paul was when he died in 2005 and is now the oldest reigning pope since Leo XIII, who died aged 93 in 1903 after reigning for 25 years.

 

"His health at 85 is better than John Paul's was at 75," said one high-ranking Vatican official who reports to the pope regularly. "He is a very methodical man. He looks after himself and feels that he still has much to do," the official said.

 

The Vatican has announced that he will visit Lebanon in September and he may go to Brazil in 2013.

 

"I'm old but I can still carry out my duties," the pope told Fidel Castro during his trip to Cuba last month.

 

Still, Benedict is increasingly showing signs of frailty and fatigue, signs that are being watched carefully for their possible effect on the future of the 1.2 billion member Roman Catholic Church.

 

When he left for Mexico and Cuba, he used a cane at the airport for the first time in public, though sources say he has been using it in private for some time.

 

Last year, to conserve his strength, he began using a mobile platform instead of walking up the aisle of St Peter's Basilica.

 

The Vatican says it is to spare him fatigue and there is no concern about his overall health. His brother has said Benedict suffered two mild strokes before his election in 2005 and he reportedly suffers from high blood pressure and arthritis.

 

WOULD CONSIDER RESIGNING

 

Where Benedict differs from his predecessors is that he is the only pope in living memory to discuss publicly the possibility of resignation, though others have done so privately.

 

In a book in 2010, Benedict said he would not hesitate to become the first pontiff to resign willingly in more than 700 years if he felt no longer able, "physically, psychologically and spiritually" to run the Catholic Church.

 

"Those of us who are over 75 are not allowed to run even a small diocese and cardinals over 80 are not allowed to elect a pope. I can understand why one day the pope might say 'even I can't do my job any more,'" said retired Archbishop Luigi Bettazzi of the north Italian city of Ivrea.

 

"I wish him a long life and lasting lucidity but I think that if the moment arrives when he sees that things are changing, I think he has the courage to resign," Bettazzi told Italian television on Saturday.

 

The last pope to resign willingly was Celestine V in 1294 after reigning for only five months. Gregory XII reluctantly abdicated in 1415 to end a dispute with a rival claimant to the papacy.

 

Every papal birthday or anniversary sparks talk of succession but there is no clear front runner to succeed Benedict, who has now appointed more than half the cardinals who will choose a new pope from among their ranks. Most are Europeans.

 

 

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Wales winning the rugby 6 Nations Grand Slam would normally sound alarm bells for Pope Benedict, but it seems Pope Shenouda was the one to suffer the dreaded fate. http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/896747-wales-grand-slam-link-to-pope-deaths-backed-by-new-evidence

But with Wales still being very good indeed, maybe next year?

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Wales winning the rugby 6 Nations Grand Slam would normally sound alarm bells for Pope Benedict, but it seems Pope Shenouda was the one to suffer the dreaded fate. http://www.metro.co....by-new-evidence

But with Wales still being very good indeed, maybe next year?

 

Didn't know that. Awesome!!! :D :D :D

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I clicked on that link and this is what appeared in the tab:

 

Pope's butler arrested for spilling holy se

 

The story turned out to be different from what I was expecting.

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I clicked on that link and this is what appeared in the tab:

 

Pope's butler arrested for spilling holy se

 

The story turned out to be different from what I was expecting.

 

 

Latest:

 

 

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"The Vatican denounced the theft of secret papal documents as a "brutal" personal attack on Pope Benedict as a powerful group of cardinals hunted more culprits behind the biggest crisis of his pontificate.

 

 

With the crisis over leaks of sensitive documents deepening, the third most senior figure in the Vatican fired a bitter salvo in the Vatican's official newspaper L'Osservatore Romano.

 

 

Vatican deputy secretary of state Archbishop Angelo Becciu said in an interview that the publication of stolen documents in a recent book by Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi was a "criminal" act.

 

 

It was the first time the paper has reported on the arrest of Pope Benedict's butler nearly a week ago, and it reflected the anger in the Holy See over what is seen as a betrayal of Pope Benedict.

 

 

The newspaper also said the butler, Paolo Gabriele, 46, had been in possession of "a large number" of the Pope's private documents, the first time the Holy See has come close to publicly quantifying how many documents Gabriele held.

 

 

"The act he (the Pope) has been subjected to is brutal," Archbishop Becciu said.

 

 

"Benedict XVI has seen the publication of papers stolen from his house.""

 

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-30/leaks-scandal-a-brutal-attack-on-pope/4040902

 

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Time to sit back with the bowl of popcorn and enjoy the spectacle as they rip each other to shreds... :)

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I clicked on that link and this is what appeared in the tab:

 

Pope's butler arrested for spilling holy se

 

The story turned out to be different from what I was expecting.

 

And some was spilled on stony ground. :rolleyes:

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Latest Vatican brawling for your entertainment, dear Death Listers:

 

 

The Vatican’s woes

 

God’s bankers

 

A beleaguered papacy is embroiled in intrigue. Some scent a succession struggle

 

Jul 7th 2012 | VATICAN CITY |

 

FEW things annoy Vatican officials more than lurid novels that depict the papacy as the secretive heart of a global conspiracy. Pope Benedict XVI’s most senior official, his secretary of state, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, this month accused journalists of trying to imitate the American writer, Dan Brown, author of the preposterous—and bestselling—“The Da Vinci Code”. But it was not reporters who put the papal butler, Paolo Gabriele, in a four-by-four-metre cell, accused of leaking a stream of confidential letters. Nor was it they who, the next day, fired the head of the Vatican Bank, Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, and published a blistering statement accusing him of failing to do his job. An Italian police investigation, in which documents were seized from Mr Gotti Tedeschi on June 5th, has stoked fears of more scandal. He has since been quoted as saying he fears for his life.

 

Behind the rows is an intense and vituperative power struggle to determine the nature of the next papacy. It is largely waged in and around the Vatican’s financial institutions. The Institute for the Works of Religion (IOR), to give the Vatican bank its formal title, is no stranger to controversy. In the 1980s it was accused of involvement in financial skulduggery and responsibility for the still-mysterious death of a prominent Italian banker, Roberto Calvi.

 

 

Now it is seeking to clear its name of involvement in money laundering. According to La Repubblica, a newspaper, a draft report of the Council of Europe gives the Vatican a clean bill of health on all but eight of 49 criteria. More than ten objections would expose the Vatican to the risk of being blacklisted by the Financial Action Task Force, a body that polices banks. (A Council of Europe meeting in Strasbourg on July 4th reviewed the report; the Vatican now has a month to respond.)

 

Mr Gotti Tedeschi had originally been brought in with Cardinal Bertone’s blessing. But he opposed a new law, backed by the cardinal, that increased the secretary of state’s powers at the expense of the existing—independent—oversight body, the Financial Information Authority. The change fitted a wider pattern. Since returning to the Vatican six years ago, Cardinal Bertone has won ever-greater clout.

 

Stumbling on a rock

 

The 77-year-old prelate is not a true Vatican insider. He was the pope’s right-hand man when the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger headed the department that enforces doctrinal orthodoxy. For the rest of his career Cardinal Bertone was a pastoral cleric. Underlings in the secretariat resent the vigorous, soccer-loving former archbishop for his lack of diplomatic experience.

 

Intrigues are not unusual in the Vatican. What makes this conflict special, however, is Cardinal Bertone’s repeated grabs for the levers of financial control—and perhaps, his foes say, for the patronage that goes with them. Last year he tried to make the IOR rescue a renowned but debt-stricken hospital. Mr Gotti Tedeschi’s refusal to do that heralded their later rows. The leaked papal letters also show that Cardinal Bertone tried unsuccessfully to bluff the then archbishop of Milan into resigning a post that controls the city’s Catholic University.

 

To strengthen his position further, Cardinal Bertone promoted close associates and former subordinates from the region around his former diocese of Genoa and his native Piedmont, also in the north-west of Italy. He put one in charge of the Vatican’s treasury and appointed another to run its central bank (not the same as the IOR). A third Bertone confidante has been made governor of the Vatican City State, the Holy See’s temporal power-base. That also carries great financial clout. All three men were made cardinals in February.

 

These promotions intensified suspicion among Cardinal Bertone’s critics that he was trying to pack the next conclave: the assembly of cardinals that will elect the next pope. Sombre hints suggest that this vote may come sooner than expected. According to another leaked document, the cardinal archbishop of Palermo had said that the 85-year-old Benedict would be dead by November.

 

For a secretary of state to ascend to the throne of St Peter is rare: the only example since 1667 was Pius XII, in 1939. Whatever his ambitions, Cardinal Bertone has proved a singularly divisive figure. The early years of Benedict’s papacy saw a stream of diplomatic gaffes, which many Vatican officials blamed on his secretary of state’s lack of experience. Little has improved. Some had hoped that, as a semi-outsider, he would bring innovation and transparency to a central bureaucracy last reformed in 1967. But the leaked correspondence suggests that, on the contrary, he has acted to protect vested interests, for example dismissing a prelate who had helped save more than €40m ($50m) by scrapping cosy procurement arrangements.

 

Some unconfirmed reports suggest that the cardinal has offered his resignation but the pope has refused to accept it. On July 4th, before going to his summer retreat, Benedict issued a rare public statement decrying “unjust criticism” of Cardinal Bertone and praising his “discreet support” and “enlightened counsel”, which were “of particular help in recent months”. The pontiff may fear that, by dropping his chief aide, he would be tacitly admitting to poor judgment in appointing him. But as long as the secretary of state stays, the infighting in the Vatican seems likely to continue, and the outside world’s grave concerns about its administration will remain.

 

http://www.economist.com/node/21558249

 

 

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I wonder if the Cardinal Archbishop of Palermo is a DDP participant?

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Latest Vatican brawling for your entertainment, dear Death Listers:

 

 

The Vatican’s woes

 

God’s bankers

 

A beleaguered papacy is embroiled in intrigue. Some scent a succession struggle

 

Jul 7th 2012 | VATICAN CITY |

 

FEW things annoy Vatican officials more than lurid novels that depict the papacy as the secretive heart of a global conspiracy. Pope Benedict XVI’s most senior official, his secretary of state, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, this month accused journalists of trying to imitate the American writer, Dan Brown, author of the preposterous—and bestselling—“The Da Vinci Code”. But it was not reporters who put the papal butler, Paolo Gabriele, in a four-by-four-metre cell, accused of leaking a stream of confidential letters. Nor was it they who, the next day, fired the head of the Vatican Bank, Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, and published a blistering statement accusing him of failing to do his job. An Italian police investigation, in which documents were seized from Mr Gotti Tedeschi on June 5th, has stoked fears of more scandal. He has since been quoted as saying he fears for his life.

 

Behind the rows is an intense and vituperative power struggle to determine the nature of the next papacy. It is largely waged in and around the Vatican’s financial institutions. The Institute for the Works of Religion (IOR), to give the Vatican bank its formal title, is no stranger to controversy. In the 1980s it was accused of involvement in financial skulduggery and responsibility for the still-mysterious death of a prominent Italian banker, Roberto Calvi.

 

 

Now it is seeking to clear its name of involvement in money laundering. According to La Repubblica, a newspaper, a draft report of the Council of Europe gives the Vatican a clean bill of health on all but eight of 49 criteria. More than ten objections would expose the Vatican to the risk of being blacklisted by the Financial Action Task Force, a body that polices banks. (A Council of Europe meeting in Strasbourg on July 4th reviewed the report; the Vatican now has a month to respond.)

 

Mr Gotti Tedeschi had originally been brought in with Cardinal Bertone’s blessing. But he opposed a new law, backed by the cardinal, that increased the secretary of state’s powers at the expense of the existing—independent—oversight body, the Financial Information Authority. The change fitted a wider pattern. Since returning to the Vatican six years ago, Cardinal Bertone has won ever-greater clout.

 

Stumbling on a rock

 

The 77-year-old prelate is not a true Vatican insider. He was the pope’s right-hand man when the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger headed the department that enforces doctrinal orthodoxy. For the rest of his career Cardinal Bertone was a pastoral cleric. Underlings in the secretariat resent the vigorous, soccer-loving former archbishop for his lack of diplomatic experience.

 

Intrigues are not unusual in the Vatican. What makes this conflict special, however, is Cardinal Bertone’s repeated grabs for the levers of financial control—and perhaps, his foes say, for the patronage that goes with them. Last year he tried to make the IOR rescue a renowned but debt-stricken hospital. Mr Gotti Tedeschi’s refusal to do that heralded their later rows. The leaked papal letters also show that Cardinal Bertone tried unsuccessfully to bluff the then archbishop of Milan into resigning a post that controls the city’s Catholic University.

 

To strengthen his position further, Cardinal Bertone promoted close associates and former subordinates from the region around his former diocese of Genoa and his native Piedmont, also in the north-west of Italy. He put one in charge of the Vatican’s treasury and appointed another to run its central bank (not the same as the IOR). A third Bertone confidante has been made governor of the Vatican City State, the Holy See’s temporal power-base. That also carries great financial clout. All three men were made cardinals in February.

 

These promotions intensified suspicion among Cardinal Bertone’s critics that he was trying to pack the next conclave: the assembly of cardinals that will elect the next pope. Sombre hints suggest that this vote may come sooner than expected. According to another leaked document, the cardinal archbishop of Palermo had said that the 85-year-old Benedict would be dead by November.

 

For a secretary of state to ascend to the throne of St Peter is rare: the only example since 1667 was Pius XII, in 1939. Whatever his ambitions, Cardinal Bertone has proved a singularly divisive figure. The early years of Benedict’s papacy saw a stream of diplomatic gaffes, which many Vatican officials blamed on his secretary of state’s lack of experience. Little has improved. Some had hoped that, as a semi-outsider, he would bring innovation and transparency to a central bureaucracy last reformed in 1967. But the leaked correspondence suggests that, on the contrary, he has acted to protect vested interests, for example dismissing a prelate who had helped save more than €40m ($50m) by scrapping cosy procurement arrangements.

 

Some unconfirmed reports suggest that the cardinal has offered his resignation but the pope has refused to accept it. On July 4th, before going to his summer retreat, Benedict issued a rare public statement decrying “unjust criticism” of Cardinal Bertone and praising his “discreet support” and “enlightened counsel”, which were “of particular help in recent months”. The pontiff may fear that, by dropping his chief aide, he would be tacitly admitting to poor judgment in appointing him. But as long as the secretary of state stays, the infighting in the Vatican seems likely to continue, and the outside world’s grave concerns about its administration will remain.

 

http://www.economist.com/node/21558249

 

 

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I wonder if the Cardinal Archbishop of Palermo is a DDP participant?

 

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A well known German satirical magazine is in trouble for satirising His Holiness.

 

 

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Halleluia! The leak has been found!

 

He's fairly pissed off, I'm told.

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Pope Benedict XVI (b. 1927) is looking rather peaky of late. He has been plagued with ill health in recent years and is now the same age as Pope John Paul II when he died.

 

I'm a betting man and will be putting a bet on him biting the big one in 2013.

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Pope Benedict XVI (b. 1927) is looking rather peaky of late. He has been plagued with ill health in recent years and is now the same age as Pope John Paul II when he died.

 

I'm a betting man and will be putting a bet on him biting the big one in 2013.

 

Are there any more details on the ill health he has been plauged with?

 

John Paul II looked terrible for many years before he finally passed away.

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It is interesting to see how the butler trial will play out. The butler claims he is a whistleblower seeking to expose the great evil in the Vatican.

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It is interesting to see how the butler trial will play out. The butler claims he is a whistleblower seeking to expose the great evil in the Vatican.

 

Like Dan Brown!!!

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