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#21 Magere Hein

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 02:28 PM

One Man Jury, on Apr 12 2005, 03:46 PM, said:

Magere Hein, on Apr 12 2005, 01:39 PM, said:


It's not something I'm proud of, but the fact is that both my parents and all my grandparents were collaborators [...]
I suppose it's called rolling with the times. If the Germans had arrived in the UK, I guess much of the same would have happened here too, regardless of what that drunk Churchill said.
I think what happened during the occupation of the Channel Islands shows what would have happened if Britain would have been conquered: some collaborated, some resisted and most people tried to get on with their lives, exactly what happened in occupied Europe.

Of course, in hindsight things look different than when you're in it. In 1940 few people expected that the Nazi's would be beaten eventually.

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 05:31 PM

Magere Hein, on Apr 12 2005, 03:28 PM, said:

One Man Jury, on Apr 12 2005, 03:46 PM, said:

Magere Hein, on Apr 12 2005, 01:39 PM, said:


It's not something I'm proud of, but the fact is that both my parents and all my grandparents were collaborators [...]
I suppose it's called rolling with the times. If the Germans had arrived in the UK, I guess much of the same would have happened here too, regardless of what that drunk Churchill said.
I think what happened during the occupation of the Channel Islands shows what would have happened if Britain would have been conquered: some collaborated, some resisted and most people tried to get on with their lives, exactly what happened in occupied Europe.

Of course, in hindsight things look different than when you're in it. In 1940 few people expected that the Nazi's would be beaten eventually.

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I can't recall the exact phrase, or be bothered to look it up but:

History is written by the victor.
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Posted 13 April 2005 - 08:41 AM

I remember reading The Victor. Damn fine stories of the heroism of clean living chaps.

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 09:14 AM

Anubis the Jackal, on Apr 13 2005, 09:41 AM, said:

I remember reading The Victor. Damn fine stories of the heroism of clean living chaps.

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Not the most reliable historical source, but if you say so Mr Josco
Excellent, I've just sprayed tea over my keyboard.
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Posted 13 April 2005 - 10:02 AM

josco, on Apr 13 2005, 09:14 AM, said:

Excellent, I've just sprayed tea over my keyboard.
Please don't tell me that's a euphemism....

As for the Victor comic, perhaps we should get a few copies of Commando comics to send to Kraut....

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 10:10 AM

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Please don't tell me that's a euphemism....


For what?

I think I can guess, you rude man. Perhaps if it had been The Bunty then...........
"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear...." Jacqui Smith - Ex-Home Secretary (and many other misguided fools)
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Posted 13 April 2005 - 10:20 AM

josco, on Apr 12 2005, 05:31 PM, said:

I can't recall the exact phrase, or be bothered to look it up but:

History is written by the victor.
It might be from a quote from Herman Goring at the Nuremburg Trials.

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 02:53 PM

Magere Hein, on Apr 12 2005, 02:28 PM, said:

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I think what happened during the occupation of the Channel Islands shows what would have happened if Britain would have been conquered: some collaborated, some resisted and most people tried to get on with their lives, exactly what happened in occupied Europe.

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This old chestnut often seems to come up.
I'm less than convinced. The fact that the inhabitants of the Channel Islands have a different ancestry/language from the rest of the UK is always ignored.
They may have seen it as one Colonial power replacing another.
As another difference all the local men were shipped out, and there was a very high proportion of occupying Germans, this could not be replicated for the whole of the UK.
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 09:55 AM

guesty, on Apr 13 2005, 02:53 PM, said:

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This old chestnut often seems to come up.
I'm less than convinced. The fact that the inhabitants of the Channel Islands have a different ancestry/language from the rest of the UK is always ignored.
They may have seen it as one Colonial power replacing another.
As another difference all the local men were shipped out, and there was a very high proportion of occupying Germans, this could not be replicated for the whole of the UK.
Off course the Channel Islanders reacted differently...their historical ancestry is primarily French.

Point made. :D
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 07:03 PM

In his bio it claims that his is still working up to date and around the age of 98 years thats not bad at all. But let me say that again hes 98......

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 08:55 PM

Looks like one to be held over for 2006. or 7.

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 08:56 PM

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=29...53A141&set_id=1

referring to this. How does one put in a link by the way.

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 06:30 PM

may be in good health but obviously senile...


Architect Niemeyer Ratifies Solidarity with Cuba

Rio de Janeiro, Jul 4 (Prensa Latina) Famous Brazilian architect Oscar Niemeyer ratified on Monday his solidarity with the Cuban Revolution and its leader Fidel Castro.

During a meeting with Cuban ambassador Pedro Núñez Mosquera, Niemeyer said that Cuba is an example for Latin America and the world, and Fidel Castro is a leading world statesman.

He also spoke highly of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and the revolutionary process he heads.

During the meeting, the Cuban diplomat presented 97 year old Niemeyer with a certificate as an Honorary Member of the 120-Year Club, a Cuban initiative to promote a longer, high-quality life.

Niemeyer said he hoped to achieve this goal as he was feeling well and worked every day from 9:30 am well into the afternoon.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 04:58 AM

Cerberus, on Apr 12 2005, 10:09 AM, said:

Yes fair enough, I meant, not widely spoken outside Brazil and Portugal (and Mozambique, and Angola ... oh I give up) :(


That was so funny... lol :o :angry:


I think Oscar is in good health still, besides from being really old I see no reason for him to be in the List.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 01:20 AM

O arquiteto Oscar Niemeyer tem pouco tempo de vida à sua frente. Ele já apresenta evidentes sinais de debilidade física. Suas idéias políticas são inteiramente equivocadas, em minha opinião. Seu stalinismo é patético. Apesar disso, eu considero Niemeyer um dos artistas mais originais e marcantes do século XX.

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 02:36 PM

Magno, on Jul 19 2005, 01:20 AM, said:

O arquiteto Oscar Niemeyer tem pouco tempo de vida à sua frente. Ele já apresenta evidentes sinais de debilidade física. Suas idéias políticas são inteiramente equivocadas, em minha opinião. Seu stalinismo é patético. Apesar disso, eu considero Niemeyer um dos artistas mais originais e marcantes do século XX.
I'm not very much into architecture, so it never occurred to me that an architect by the name of Oscar Niemeyer existed. After a brief investigation, it seems clear to me that I shouldn't bother.

Apart from him being ancient, which is obviously an asset when DL-nomination is at stake, the guy is completely uninteresting. Wiki states: "He was a pioneer in the exploration of the constructive possibilities of reinforced concrete." Right.

But it's quite interesting to see how our beloved Latin-American friends tend to disagree with me. Mr. Magno here says that Oscar Niemeyer's days has been counted. ('Debilidade física' is a very eloquent way of describing a body going downhill, isn't it? Would 'debilitating physique' be the correct English equivalent? I'm not too sure of my translational skills here.) Magno disagrees with Oscar's red sympathies, but still considers him to be the most original and prominent artist of the twentieth century.

I think most people missed this rather controversial statement, so I'd like to pose it again in English, which is (for good reasons) a more widely accepted language in this forum than Portuguese.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Tom(B) raider @ Sep 26 2005, 02:36 PM)
Apart from him being ancient, which is obviously an asset when DL-nomination is at stake, the guy is completely uninteresting. Wiki states: "He was a pioneer in the exploration of the constructive possibilities of reinforced concrete." Right.

But it's quite interesting to see how our beloved Latin-American friends tend to differ with me. Mr. Magno here says that Oscar Niemeyer's days has been counted.[/quote]
I have to disagree, first of all the DL bases it's participents on
there fame in what they did in life not just there age.
Second the famousness is usually judged by if there
death will hit BBC news or not. ;)


As for Niemeyer's days being counted - I heard that he was well
and still actively working at age 97 so i suppose he couldn't be that
frail. Infact i believe sometime in early 2006 he exspects to finish
another project so he seems to be thinking ahead.

If it weren't for him to be actively working i would
think he would soon be at the top of the bright white
stairs to heaven but so far he has proved otherwise.

But overall still a good bet i say. .

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:43 PM

Is he really that famous among the public at large though? I bet most people haven't heard of him. Sometimes I wonder about the people put on the Deathlist. Although if he dies before the year is out, I shouldn't really complain. :huh:

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:55 PM

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 08:21 PM

Tempus Fugit, on Sep 26 2005, 06:55 PM, said:

Talking of obscure Deathlist names, what about Sister Lucia, had anybody heard of her before she was listed.

Actually, yes I'd heard of her before, and I'm not even a Roman Catholic. I don't care about the alleged miracles, but I've always been fascinated by the incredibly well orchestrated mumbo jumbo that comes with them.

The reason I brought this thread back to life was not because I was questioning Niemeyer's fame, he obviously ís well-known throughout the world (as was the late lamented sister Lucia). The point is: I had my doubts about Niemeyer's status as one of the greatest artist of the twentieth century, as claimed by the portuguese-speaking guy. Modern art is not my cup of tea, but designing an incredibly big, new, ugly city somewhere in the jungle does not tickle my senses.
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