Kate And Gerry

[Bibliogryphon 8,624]

In some ways the whole Maddie issue seems to neglect the girl herself. This poor girl either died accidently, was murdered or kidnapped but we as a society have bought into it (on either side) with such intensity. People are either "oh how terrible what must her poor parents be going through" or "Ha how long before the lying bastards get found out". If the full truth ever came out, no matter what it was then there would be a lot of soul searching.

 

Of course I could just be a pompus idiot who no-one ever listens to.

[maryportfuncity 9,991]

In some ways the whole Maddie issue seems to neglect the girl herself. This poor girl either died accidently, was murdered or kidnapped but we as a society have bought into it (on either side) with such intensity. People are either "oh how terrible what must her poor parents be going through" or "Ha how long before the lying bastards get found out". If the full truth ever came out, no matter what it was then there would be a lot of soul searching.

 

Of course I could just be a pompus idiot who no-one ever listens to.

 

You mean...you're Donald Sindon? You sly git, you've been mocking our efforts all along!

[the_engineer 1,405]

http://gerrymccan-ab...burst-into.html

 

There are some more here.

 

Now, I'm certainly not saying that one should never smile again after suffering such a tragedy, that would be ridiculous. But some of these pictures just make me feel a little uncomfortable.

 

I'm aware that there will always be sites dedicated to making them look like Josef Fritzl and Rosemary West, and perhaps this is one of them, but something just doesn't sit quite right with me.

 

 

Delight is one of the key traits liars have , delight on getting away with it and people are buying their lies.

 

There is a video of Gerry laughing and joking 6 days after maddie disappeared.

 

[Bibliogryphon 8,624]

In some ways the whole Maddie issue seems to neglect the girl herself. This poor girl either died accidently, was murdered or kidnapped but we as a society have bought into it (on either side) with such intensity. People are either "oh how terrible what must her poor parents be going through" or "Ha how long before the lying bastards get found out". If the full truth ever came out, no matter what it was then there would be a lot of soul searching.

 

Of course I could just be a pompus idiot who no-one ever listens to.

 

You mean...you're Donald Sindon? You sly git, you've been mocking our efforts all along!

 

Unforunately, or more possibly fortunately, I am not Donald Sinden. If Donald Sinden was the only smug pompus bastard this country produced it may be a better place.

[maryportfuncity 9,991]

New hope all round with the discovery of anonymous blonde girl living with Greek gypsies and DNA evidence she isn't related to them.

 

Just an idea, like...if this one isn't claimed inside six months can we offer her as bait to swap her for the ageing Maddie?

[RichardFeynman 16]

FFS!! Gerry has an alibi for the moment that suspect was seen. They are not the same person.

An alibi is worthless if it is provided by someone who is equally involved in the offence. And I include the whole Tapas 7.

 

My own theory, and I have been lucky enough to meet someone linked to the case and discuss it with them, is that Madeline was accidentally killed. Kate, Gerry and the Tapas 7 all had an interest in concealing the death for professional reasons, and so it came to pass.

 

The clincher for me is the hire car. I have been told, but I don't think it is widely reported, that the day after the 'dead dogs' arrived, Kate, Gerry and family took a trip in the hire car. They informed the Family liaison team that they were going to a resort about 75 miles away to escape the media for a short time before they were interviewed by the British Police team that had deployed with the 'dead dogs'.

 

On return, the car had done over 500 miles. The day after this the 'dead dogs' found death scent in the boot, which have been found to be human remains.

 

The have destroyed their own credibility in my eyes. It'll never be proven, but i have no sympathy.

 

I disagree with the idea that the Tapas 7 are lying, think about it, if these 7 people are morally corrupt enough to lie about the killing of a child for "professional reasons" then surely at least one would have sold the story to the a newspaper by now for a couple million, of course they'll get a few months for making false statements but after that they're set for life.

 

As for the dogs and the hire car, accurate information on those two parts of the story are incredibly hard to come by and even the police have made numerous contradicting statements.

 

The whole "parents did it" theory holds no water in my eyes, if they did it then why would they spend so much money on getting the story as famous as possible and pushing for another investigation when the Portugeese one failed to prosecute them?

 

BTW it really gets on my nerves when people say "I know someone connected to x in an unspecified way and they said..." it's just a lazy and unfalsifiable way to appear knowledgeable.

 

/snobbish rant over.

[Toast 14,805]

Here's an interesting theory from some imaginative soul.

[Rotten Ali 599]

Here's an interesting theory from some imaginative soul.

 

I was never aware of the sailing story. Always, more thinking that she went to land fill. Having read the scenario above, I now find "the dumped at sea idea" is also quite plausible.

 

Question is just how far could they have sailed in various directions? Then, that area extent is a prime starting point of a new search.

[themaninblack 2,112]

There's an article in the Sunday Mirror about the BBC hiring a porn actor for the reconstruction.

 

And how would they know that, I wonder..?

[EGN 121]

BTW it really gets on my nerves when people say "I know someone connected to x in an unspecified way and they said..." it's just a lazy and unfalsifiable way to appear knowledgeable.

 

More usually its a way to impart some interesting, pertinent knowledge without getting the person who told you, or yourself, into trouble. The person who told me was in a position to know, but I'll be damned if i'm going to stick his name out there to be sued. I'm a copper and I met him on a course, if you must know.

 

Also, any money made by the Tapas 7 off the back of their involvement would be seized of they were ever convicted of an offence connected to her disappearance. They were all doctors/partners of doctors and, personally, I think the lot of them were drugging their kids for a quiet life and Maddie was the unfortunate one who OD'd. By revealing the truth, they'd all be struck off and in no danger of being able to continue the lifestyle in which they were accustomed. The idea of losing everything you've spent your life working for is a strong motivator.

 

With regard their self publicity, I must admit I'm flummoxed by it too. I'm no psychologist, but I suppose perhaps they've dug too deep a hole in the initial stages to ever appear to have given up. They've also made a fair bit of cash of the back of it, some of which was (until they were caught out, of course) used to pay their mortgage rather than search for Maddie.

[Bibliogryphon 8,624]

 

Also, any money made by the Tapas 7 off the back of their involvement would be seized of they were ever convicted of an offence connected to her disappearance. They were all doctors/partners of doctors and, personally, I think the lot of them were drugging their kids for a quiet life and Maddie was the unfortunate one who OD'd. By revealing the truth, they'd all be struck off and in no danger of being able to continue the lifestyle in which they were accustomed. The idea of losing everything you've spent your life working for is a strong motivator.

 

 

I think this is close to the nub of the matter. If the McCann's were in any way responsible for the death of Madelaine particularly if inappropriate administering of drugs were involved they would have realised the consequences of this very quickly and they would need to cover it up. If this was common practice amongst the group that would explain the silence.

 

This is possibly just the result of complacent adoption of bad practice to 'improve' their holiday. No premeditation just negligence.

 

Thanks EGN for your candid comments

[maryportfuncity 9,991]

There's an article in the Sunday Mirror about the BBC hiring a porn actor for the reconstruction.

 

And how would they know that, I wonder..?

 

They didn't, he just came along at the right time.

[Magere Hein 1,397]

Ooh, finger pointing to a suspect. Conveniently a dead one.

 

regards,

Hein

[EGN 121]

It is worth remembering that the Portuguese Police have actually concluded their case once already, and the official finding was that the McCanns were responsible for concealing Madeleine's death, if not direct responsible for killing her.

 

Goncalo Amaral is using this official report in his defence against the McCann's libel claim. His own theory was not a million miles from my own, in that she was accidentally killed and that the parents then covered it up. Should he be successful in his defence he will be free to publish his book, 'The truth of the lie' in Britain, should he find a publisher to carry it.

 

A translated audio copy can be found online, but I'll refrain from posting a link as I'm poor enough as it is. Google is your friend. His name and the title is all you need.

 

What i will say is that the 'man seen near the beach carrying a child' is definitely not a new lead, as Crimewatch makes out. I knew about that over a year ago, and it was strongly suggested then that Hein may have a good point about the photofit.

[Bibliogryphon 8,624]

It is worth remembering that the Portuguese Police have actually concluded their case once already, and the official finding was that the McCanns were responsible for concealing Madeleine's death, if not direct responsible for killing her.

 

Goncalo Amaral is using this official report in his defence against the McCann's libel claim. His own theory was not a million miles from my own, in that she was accidentally killed and that the parents then covered it up. Should he be successful in his defence he will be free to publish his book, 'The truth of the lie' in Britain, should he find a publisher to carry it.

 

 

 

I for one would buy this book. Mostly for Mrs Bibliogryphon to read as this is her pet subject.

 

I would approach it as another view on the facts from someone who was close enough to be knowledgeable but it would be read in context and after reading this i might pick up the Kate & Gerry propeganda to compare it to. However, it is possible that this could be an attempt to cover up any mistakes the Portugese police might have made during the investigation but I expect it would be less partial than Kate & Gerry's book.

 

It is hypocrisy in preventing publication of this book whilst flogging thier own.

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

 

"British police are poised to make the first arrest in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann," reports the Daily Mirror. It says they want to question three burglars "who carried out raids in the Portuguese resort when the child, three, vanished". It says her parents "know that this is a significant lead". - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-25707768

[EGN 121]

I would like to see the legislation that allows a British policeman to arrest a Portuguese criminal for a crime committed in Portugal.

 

This story sounds like smoke and, ahem, Mirrors. If the British Police are arresting anyone, it'll be a British person suspected of murder/manslaughter abroad. Now, who could that be...

[the_engineer 1,405]

http://en.wikipedia....ed_mysteriously

 

Looking at this list of missing people on wiki, im not surprised to see a large portion of the missing are girls under 30 and children (again mostly girls) . I personally believe the mccann's had something to do with it but i also like to keep a open mind , if she was abducted she would of been sold to the highest bidder in russia , middle east or maybe a high level peado ring in the uk/usa/EU establishment and its very upsetting to think of this scenario. you kind of want to just hope some childless couple who really wanted a daughter have got her. Who knows maybe they heard maddie crying all night the day before and then on that night she went missing and they decided to take her and they are in too deep now.

 

However both of those scenario's are very unlikely considering the sniffer dogs evidence and lack of any sort of evidence pointing to someone else. In fact now that jane tanners sighting has been dismissed the last known possible sighting of maddie was by a Irish family who are very sure they saw gerry mccann carrying her towards the beach. But the time frame and the whole explanation of that night is just so far fetched if you are to believe the mccann's story.

[EGN 121]

I have issues with the whole 'stolen to order' scenario. Putting my criminal head on for a minute, I'd certainly be making any crime where the punishment is 'life in prison, branded a sex offender' follow the path of least resistance.

 

Want a small, blond haired female child? Buy one for crack from a scumbag, drug addicted single mother in some eastern European shit hole. No shortage of blondes in Russia, the Ukraine or the like. I have difficulty believing that someone with the criminal means to smuggle a child out of a country doesn't know a few people of who would give up their kids for crack, even if it is by proxy.

 

Stealing the daughter of a well to do English family in the middle of a child friendly holiday resort is pretty risky and criminals on that level aren't dumb.

 

Equally, I'm not sure how many roving gangs of paedophiles there are out hunting for kids and trusting chance to provide their fare.

 

Occam's razor suggests accidental killing.

[Magere Hein 1,397]

http://en.wikipedia....ed_mysteriously

 

Looking at this list of missing people on wiki, im not surprised to see a large portion of the missing are girls under 30 and children (again mostly girls) . I personally believe the mccann's had something to do with it[...]

 

I understand your misgivings about those two, but I doubt they've been at it ever since Spartacus. :-)

 

regards,

Hein

[the_engineer 1,405]

I have issues with the whole 'stolen to order' scenario. Putting my criminal head on for a minute, I'd certainly be making any crime where the punishment is 'life in prison, branded a sex offender' follow the path of least resistance.

 

Want a small, blond haired female child? Buy one for crack from a scumbag, drug addicted single mother in some eastern European shit hole. No shortage of blondes in Russia, the Ukraine or the like. I have difficulty believing that someone with the criminal means to smuggle a child out of a country doesn't know a few people of who would give up their kids for crack, even if it is by proxy.

 

Stealing the daughter of a well to do English family in the middle of a child friendly holiday resort is pretty risky and criminals on that level aren't dumb.

 

Equally, I'm not sure how many roving gangs of paedophiles there are out hunting for kids and trusting chance to provide their fare.

 

Occam's razor suggests accidental killing.

 

yep i agree and another thing is if they broke in looking for kids and they saw all three kids surely they would of took all three and not just one, triple their payday. The mccann's only wanted two kids they used IVF and got unwanted twins. So maddie was at an age were she was causing trouble as all toddlers her age do and a (unplanned) accident happens and their problem is solved , they have been cashing in on it ever since. Paid off their mortgage with some of the money they received and the rest went goodness knows where.

 

The people who think the mccann's are innocent are a very vocal minority .

[Lard Bazaar 3,687]

I have issues with the whole 'stolen to order' scenario. Putting my criminal head on for a minute, I'd certainly be making any crime where the punishment is 'life in prison, branded a sex offender' follow the path of least resistance.

 

Want a small, blond haired female child? Buy one for crack from a scumbag, drug addicted single mother in some eastern European shit hole. No shortage of blondes in Russia, the Ukraine or the like. I have difficulty believing that someone with the criminal means to smuggle a child out of a country doesn't know a few people of who would give up their kids for crack, even if it is by proxy.

 

Stealing the daughter of a well to do English family in the middle of a child friendly holiday resort is pretty risky and criminals on that level aren't dumb.

 

Equally, I'm not sure how many roving gangs of paedophiles there are out hunting for kids and trusting chance to provide their fare.

 

Occam's razor suggests accidental killing.

 

yep i agree and another thing is if they broke in looking for kids and they saw all three kids surely they would of took all three and not just one, triple their payday. The mccann's only wanted two kids they used IVF and got unwanted twins. So maddie was at an age were she was causing trouble as all toddlers her age do and a (unplanned) accident happens and their problem is solved , they have been cashing in on it ever since. Paid off their mortgage with some of the money they received and the rest went goodness knows where.

 

The people who think the mccann's are innocent are a very vocal minority .

 

Really? Is this a documented fact?

[the_engineer 1,405]

I have issues with the whole 'stolen to order' scenario. Putting my criminal head on for a minute, I'd certainly be making any crime where the punishment is 'life in prison, branded a sex offender' follow the path of least resistance.

 

Want a small, blond haired female child? Buy one for crack from a scumbag, drug addicted single mother in some eastern European shit hole. No shortage of blondes in Russia, the Ukraine or the like. I have difficulty believing that someone with the criminal means to smuggle a child out of a country doesn't know a few people of who would give up their kids for crack, even if it is by proxy.

 

Stealing the daughter of a well to do English family in the middle of a child friendly holiday resort is pretty risky and criminals on that level aren't dumb.

 

Equally, I'm not sure how many roving gangs of paedophiles there are out hunting for kids and trusting chance to provide their fare.

 

Occam's razor suggests accidental killing.

 

yep i agree and another thing is if they broke in looking for kids and they saw all three kids surely they would of took all three and not just one, triple their payday. The mccann's only wanted two kids they used IVF and got unwanted twins. So maddie was at an age were she was causing trouble as all toddlers her age do and a (unplanned) accident happens and their problem is solved , they have been cashing in on it ever since. Paid off their mortgage with some of the money they received and the rest went goodness knows where.

 

The people who think the mccann's are innocent are a very vocal minority .

 

Really? Is this a documented fact?

 

They done a interview for RTE Ireland were they mention it . Something along the lines of we only wanted one more and got twins or something along those words.

[Lard Bazaar 3,687]

I have issues with the whole 'stolen to order' scenario. Putting my criminal head on for a minute, I'd certainly be making any crime where the punishment is 'life in prison, branded a sex offender' follow the path of least resistance.

 

Want a small, blond haired female child? Buy one for crack from a scumbag, drug addicted single mother in some eastern European shit hole. No shortage of blondes in Russia, the Ukraine or the like. I have difficulty believing that someone with the criminal means to smuggle a child out of a country doesn't know a few people of who would give up their kids for crack, even if it is by proxy.

 

Stealing the daughter of a well to do English family in the middle of a child friendly holiday resort is pretty risky and criminals on that level aren't dumb.

 

Equally, I'm not sure how many roving gangs of paedophiles there are out hunting for kids and trusting chance to provide their fare.

 

Occam's razor suggests accidental killing.

 

yep i agree and another thing is if they broke in looking for kids and they saw all three kids surely they would of took all three and not just one, triple their payday. The mccann's only wanted two kids they used IVF and got unwanted twins. So maddie was at an age were she was causing trouble as all toddlers her age do and a (unplanned) accident happens and their problem is solved , they have been cashing in on it ever since. Paid off their mortgage with some of the money they received and the rest went goodness knows where.

 

The people who think the mccann's are innocent are a very vocal minority .

 

Really? Is this a documented fact?

 

They done a interview for RTE Ireland were they mention it . Something along the lines of we only wanted one more and got twins or something along those words.

 

I see. In my opinion, saying 'we only wanted one more and got twins' is completely different to saying 'unwanted twins'. But let's not let actual words said get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

Another alleged suspect: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-20/madeleine-mccann-police-seek-lone-sex-attacker/5332882